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In reply to the discussion: Texas A&M Study Says Castle-Doctrine Laws Increase Homicides, Don't Deter Crime [View all]Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)82. I am aware of that.
The problem I have with Texas is the following
(e) A person who has a right to be present at the location
where the force is used, who has not provoked the person against
whom the force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity
at the time the force is used is not required to retreat before
using force as described by this section.
(f) For purposes of Subsection (a), in determining whether
an actor described by Subsection (e) reasonably believed that the
use of force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider
whether the actor failed to retreat.
and with Florida, the following
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a persons dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5) As used in this section, the term:
(a) Dwelling means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) Residence means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) Vehicle means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
They both look good on the surface, but give way too much leeway for a get-out-of-jail-free card
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Texas A&M Study Says Castle-Doctrine Laws Increase Homicides, Don't Deter Crime [View all]
SecularMotion
Jun 2012
OP
Raul Rodriguez, birthday party shooter, is a perfect example of a man who felt empowered
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#1
There isn't any law in Texas that, on the face of it, justifies the jury's decision.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#64
You're allowed to shoot burglars of your neighbor's property as long as you stand in your own yard?
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#131
The FBI classification system they are using classifies almost all self defense shootings as murder
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#13
I see how this goes, you find out that self-defense isn't in the data set so...
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#31
The author's have already admitted that the FBI counts self-defense as murder or manslaughter
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#44
I've read your posts, they are the same misrepresentations of fact repeated over and over...
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#53
Actually, the study is about different kinds of laws that make it easier to use lethal force...
DanTex
Jun 2012
#20
Your excerpt says that the principle of "retreat to the wall" has a long history ...
spin
Jun 2012
#74
I don't think it is a question of being opposed to resisting violent crime.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#70
I'll wager that virtually all those philosophically opposed to resisting violent crime
crayfish
Jun 2012
#92
If that's your position, you should be advocating for disarming cops. Their reasons for carrying
crayfish
Jun 2012
#91
Fine. You can employ whatever tools you think will work for you for self defense. Do not dictate
crayfish
Jun 2012
#111
In most shall-issue states an FBI background investigation is required of the applicant.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#88
Does this pricipal apply also to the Thirteenth and Twenty-sixth Amendments? n/t
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#133
"...if you carry a gun and use it to harm someone who is not carrying a gun, you are a criminal."
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#107
SYG & CD are not designed to deter crime. And it follows logically that homicides increase. So what?
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jun 2012
#17
I think you might need a few more decimal points to identify with your SN
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#37
Because you want many citizens to be defenseless against violent criminals.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#109
Bullshit! I don't want anyone to be defenseless against anything or anyone.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#110
The real-world result of your policies would be armed criminals and helpless citizens.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#119
Opposing is not denying. It's not my business if people want to act foolishly.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#123
If only we could quiz the "authors" on their opinion of the 2A...then we'd see their true agenda.
ileus
Jun 2012
#43
Unfortunately, studies and empirical evidence are not going to change the minds of the NRA crowd.
DanTex
Jun 2012
#54