Gun Control & RKBA

Hoyt

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39. So what does "give state monopoly on force" mean to you. That's the kind of fear you hear

Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:10 PM

Jun 2012

from the right wing, Timmie McVeigh types. Again, if that is your rationale for arming up, leave them at home rather than arm up like militia types on the street.

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Microstamp technology is ineffective for law enforcement [View all] Meiko Jun 2012 OP

So sayeth an attorney for Beretta. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #1

It is true that the technology is incredibly easy to circumvent hack89 Jun 2012 #4

Oh, so all you "law-abiding" gun owners will obliterate microstamping. That's nice. Hoyt Jun 2012 #7

Did you read the part about how normal use will wear down the stamp? hack89 Jun 2012 #9

Wear down over a long time. Plus, if even a few aspects of microstamp are still there, Hoyt Jun 2012 #11

Try again - Zimmerman didn't "run from the scene" DonP Jun 2012 #20

Don, lord. We don't need it work for every gun - just some. Hoyt Jun 2012 #23

I have to leave my guns at home - Illinois is anti choice as far as guns go. DonP Jun 2012 #30

People of Illinois are smart. Hoyt Jun 2012 #31

People of Illinois want CCW. Clames Jun 2012 #35

Some people do. I doubt most really want a bunch of gun fanatics carrying them. Hoyt Jun 2012 #36

We'll just have to wait and see what the voters say. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #65

You seem to spend enough time considering their reasons... Clames Jun 2012 #73

iow, it is a matter of WHEN The Revolution Arrives? You do realize what you are saying, right? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #33

I'm saying if your rationale for accumulating guns is fear of "state, " you don't need them on Hoyt Jun 2012 #37

DonP said nothing about a Revolution. You are now being insulting to me with your insinuations and Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #38

So what does "give state monopoly on force" mean to you. That's the kind of fear you hear Hoyt Jun 2012 #39

He is claiming that is what YOU want. leave what -I- want out of this. Let us try to understand Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #40

Like I said, if one's concern is "state power", then one can wait to start arming up in public. Hoyt Jun 2012 #41

but, Hoyt...exactly WHO is the State? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #42

What Timmie McVeigh and followers of "Turner Diaries" fear. Hoyt Jun 2012 #43

-I- am not afraid. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #45

Thanks god. I'm off to dream land. Hoyt Jun 2012 #47

I don't trust the majority of gun nuts, they tend to be bigots,militia types,Tbaggers,etc. Hoyt Jun 2012 #44

? Hoyt....god bless your soul. You sound so paranoid. What has happened to you in your life to make Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #48

I've grown up around right wing, callous, bigoted gun owners. The majority of gun culture. Hoyt Jun 2012 #49

but, now you are a grown man and you can choose your own friends and make your own Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #50

What percentage of the 80 million US gun owners can you possibly be acquainted with? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #51

he has said that he has gone off to dreamland. I hope he takes my above post in the manner Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #53

Apparently you don't know many US citizens because you still carry and promote guns in public. Hoyt Jun 2012 #61

Can we assume your posts concerning others here are of similiar accuracy? I don't own a gun. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #72

ever considered putting that part of Georgia in the rear view mirror? gejohnston Jun 2012 #54

It's the same just about anywhere right wingers live and control the government. Hoyt Jun 2012 #62

That's funny, coming from someone who can't leave home without a gun. Hoyt Jun 2012 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #74

What's funny is I don't CCW. Never said I did. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #80

He used to be an armed robber. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #79

I think you are right. thanks for the link. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #81

But it doesn't work at all, Hoyt. Straw Man Jun 2012 #58

Where should the financial responsibility lie -- those that covet guns and profit from them. Hoyt Jun 2012 #63

Dodge. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #66

More bullshit accusations. Straw Man Jun 2012 #67

The California state police determination was that significant degredation occurred at <100 rounds.. S_B_Jackson Jun 2012 #32

I think the technology is much better than that. Hoyt Jun 2012 #34

You believe many things that you cannot prove, and your posts here re: gun owners demonstrate it. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #52

You are not willing to try anything that might help solve crimes if it impacts your guns. Hoyt Jun 2012 #64

Once again, I need to remind you- I do not own a gun, and haven't for years. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #69

California Highway Patrol determined that the technology is NOT better than that S_B_Jackson Jun 2012 #76

Even you admit that criminals would dump the gun after the crime ... spin Jun 2012 #10

No, you'd have the casing if left at scene and the database would allow police to track the gun Hoyt Jun 2012 #12

The serial number that is already on the gun will allow Meiko Jun 2012 #17

The serial number is not left at the scene when you run. Hoyt Jun 2012 #18

And neither Meiko Jun 2012 #21

What percentage do you really think will be Totally removed? Hoyt Jun 2012 #22

Anyone selling a firearm illegally will simply make sure ... spin Jun 2012 #29

Do you also plan to ban revolvers, brass catchers and replacement parts while you're at it? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #55

Are you going to carry a gun with a brass catcher. If so, you must be worried you might not use it Hoyt Jun 2012 #60

Intresting. Why would you need to purchase a gun made prior to "microstamping?" That worried Hoyt Jun 2012 #14

Same reasons people buy used cars. hack89 Jun 2012 #68

That's not what poster meant. Hoyt Jun 2012 #70

Because it is an unacceptable government intrusion into our privacy? hack89 Jun 2012 #71

Typical. Straw Man Jun 2012 #57

Source - General Counsel of Bererrta USA. Might as well cite NRA or Hoyt Jun 2012 #2

If this microstamp... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #5

Hoyt, C'mon will ya Meiko Jun 2012 #15

Free Republic, Stormfront, NRA, etc., promote guns -- including Beretta. Hoyt Jun 2012 #16

Beretta is involved Meiko Jun 2012 #19

The yahoo who wrote editorial is speaking on behalf of Beretta. Hoyt Jun 2012 #24

He's a lawyer type...he has to look at all sides of the issue. ileus Jun 2012 #25

Yeah TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #26

Especially the fuckers that pay his salary. Hoyt Jun 2012 #27

While those trying to sell microstamping can be trusted implicitly, amirite? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #56

If criminals will not alter the proposed microstamp firing pins, the expensive technology might work AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #3

Good read, straight from the horses mouth. ileus Jun 2012 #6

Yea, and make their money from selling guns to yahoos who scarf them up. Hoyt Jun 2012 #8

Of course firearms are NEVER used for legitmate self defense ... spin Jun 2012 #13

And they have the M9 Military contract. ileus Jun 2012 #28

A link to the UC Davis study if anyone is interested. Glassunion Jun 2012 #46

thanks for the link. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #75

Take a look at this video, it's short Meiko Jul 2012 #77

LOL! I wonder if Eugene Stoner made the original AR-15 firing pin from a double-headed nail. slackmaster Jul 2012 #78

LOL is right!! Thanks for passing this along - I certainly will. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #82