Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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92. Cool :)

Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:38 PM

Jun 2012

I mentioned this also to DanTex but there is no response yet. I would rather not have this individual group's SOP diluted with a wider variation of topics but I am definitely in favor of having a one place for everything guns but dividing them into a policy group and separate enthusiast group. Further, since the current group exists under Justice & P/S the policy group could still maintain that identity as it only serves as an html link. There is no fundamental problem having a single forum with multiple links from different places in the overall topic listing. For example there would be nothing wrong with finding Hilton Head under all of these: locations->South Carolina->Hilton Head, Recreation->Golf->Hilton Head, Vacations->Hilton Head.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll make an OP maybe with a poll asking about this possibility.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

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Proposal: two guns groups: "Gun Policy" and "Gun Enthusiasts". [View all] DanTex Jun 2012 OP

personally, I think any comparison to guns/penis Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #1

Too bad. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #4

lovely. Have a Nice Day. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #5

If they are so phallic sarisataka Jun 2012 #9

What red blooded man wouldn't want two dicks? Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #44

Oh I don't know, gejohnston Jun 2012 #45

That would just be a distraction sarisataka Jun 2012 #47

He didn't say double barrel Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #53

This red-blooded Man does just fine with ONE dick. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #67

What red blooded man... PavePusher Jun 2012 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #82

Its actually a part of the anti-gun enthusist culture of perjorative language. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #12

yep. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #39

You are either ignorant of symbolism and metaphors in culture Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #42

Your Freudian analysis is pass� aikoaiko Jun 2012 #50

Calling things pass� is pass� Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #123

Ties are phallic symbols. Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #54

but what does it have to do with making policy? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #61

The Washington Monument is a phallic symbol. Skyscrapers are phallic symbols. Guns are NOT. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #68

That explains everything... AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #113

Maybe yours. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #112

That's why I think there should be two forums. DanTex Jun 2012 #7

I think Gun Policy should be Gender Neutral. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #8

"the identification of masculinity with guns" ?? Upton Jun 2012 #11

Yes, the identification of masculinity with guns. DanTex Jun 2012 #15

You see no sexism in your attitude? and while it may be legitmate topic of conversation somewhere on Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #23

I see zero sexism at all in my attitude. In fact, I resent the implication. DanTex Jun 2012 #37

In what way is it legitimate? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #57

indeed, It is an injustice to both sexes and I have to wonder if he is being intentionally obtuse. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #59

Many of the rest of us do ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #69

If I recall my stats correctly... PavePusher Jun 2012 #72

Most women aren't into all the hi-cap mags, expanding loads, stopping power, and such. Hoyt Jun 2012 #18

You take it upon yourself to Speak for Most Women? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #19

My apologies, I guess you are into Hi-cap mags and that other gun toting nonsense. Hoyt Jun 2012 #25

maybe a Browning Hi Power or gejohnston Jun 2012 #29

I own many standard-capacity magazines and I've never carried a gun outside in my life. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #32

One thing I am NOT into is your nonsense. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #34

top shots. love the show. absolutely women who are into gun for sport. target shooting. seabeyond Jun 2012 #40

Enjoyed watching "Top Shots" too. Good show. Kaleva Jun 2012 #52

ist it funny. i dont like guns. i dont watch tv. except when hubby turns on stewart and colbert seabeyond Jun 2012 #55

Yes, there is personal drama in that show besides the shooting. Kaleva Jun 2012 #56

i know. he was the arrogant jerk thru out the show and then at the end did that. seabeyond Jun 2012 #75

Why don't you help us out here? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #127

Thanks for sharing. Your honesty and openness is refreshing. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #135

thanks for the suggestion. I added it to my subscriptions... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #164

Most women I know gejohnston Jun 2012 #21

How is stopping power not pertinent to self-defense? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #60

Yet another baseless and uninformed statement from you ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #71

Clearly, if you are plotting out an algorithm for possible scenarios where you shoot someone. Hoyt Jun 2012 #107

Scenarios are actually the best way to discuss and illustrate legal and tactical issues associated ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #114

"I think..." PavePusher Jun 2012 #73

Takes lot of thought picking out the right lethal weapon, load, etc., to tuck away before venturing Hoyt Jun 2012 #108

Yeah, because none of those three things are helpful in a defensive role... Marinedem Jun 2012 #104

And what situation do you expect to arise that puts you in a defensive role where a gun is the only Hoyt Jun 2012 #109

Is your part of Georgia civilization? gejohnston Jun 2012 #110

If there are two forums.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #63

I'm thinking some folks may not like a "Gun Enthusiasts" group Kaleva Jun 2012 #76

Well, some folks at DU don't want any discussion of guns.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #78

Well if you are going to post about your caliber, bore size, stopping power, etc. . . . . . . Hoyt Jun 2012 #111

caliber and bore size are the same thing. ileus Jun 2012 #134

Some people look at it from bullet size, others look at the "hole" for some perverted reason. Hoyt Jun 2012 #139

And some keep attaching innuendo to these terms... Clames Jun 2012 #147

That's what happens when Ileus posts bull. Hoyt Jun 2012 #160

It's what happens when you post period. Clames Jun 2012 #162

what part was bull??? ileus Jun 2012 #163

In other words... beevul Jun 2012 #115

I think that is a reasonable way to accommodate most people on DU... rfranklin Jun 2012 #2

That depends... beevul Jun 2012 #116

Excellent approach. Hoyt Jun 2012 #3

Bingo. This is exactly what I want to see. n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #6

Mark the calandar sarisataka Jun 2012 #10

Could just change the one to Gun NUTS liberal N proud Jun 2012 #13

we are all gun Nuts just two opposite sides of the same coin. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #36

Or you could simply be polite and respectful of others. PavePusher Jun 2012 #74

I was liberal N proud Jun 2012 #86

you weren't and you know it but, its OK. we are used to the snide comments. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #89

This is why it should be the gun nuts liberal N proud Jun 2012 #94

Go step on Legos. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #95

Peace. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #97

Arms enthusiasts have plenty of forums outside of DU to discuss technical issues, recreation, etc. slackmaster Jun 2012 #14

I don't think anyone objects to that. DanTex Jun 2012 #16

How would you propose wording the SOPs for the two groups? Kaleva Jun 2012 #17

How about this: DanTex Jun 2012 #22

Your last paragraph addresses a question I had. Kaleva Jun 2012 #26

Makes sense, but one question gejohnston Jun 2012 #27

That wouldn't work, IMO. Kaleva Jun 2012 #30

agreed, gejohnston Jun 2012 #33

Maybe create a new Topic "Firearms" which contain the two groups. Kaleva Jun 2012 #35

I think this is best n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #80

This gets my vote. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #93

I don't know. DanTex Jun 2012 #31

I think this approach might have some merit. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #38

I do not support this approach although it is not an unreasonable suggestion aikoaiko Jun 2012 #20

agreed. and I would add that term gun porn is also offensive and sexist and goes a long way to Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #24

Love it! This is why I voted NO on the new TOS poll mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #28

I think a safe haven for Democrats to discuss gun policy is a good idea SecularMotion Jun 2012 #41

are you saying, gejohnston Jun 2012 #43

That's sort of a different discussion. DanTex Jun 2012 #48

You're right SecularMotion Jun 2012 #49

I think one ought to be able to discuss the gun safety programs provided by the NRA Kaleva Jun 2012 #51

How would discussing the pros and cons on renewing the AWB in a "safe haven" work? Kaleva Jun 2012 #64

"safe haven" = Where no one will disagree wtih my opinion or correct my errors DonP Jun 2012 #106

lol ellisonz Jun 2012 #117

And we're all waiting for you to post your fortnightly whine about the Gungeon in Meta again DonP Jun 2012 #118

You seem angry. ellisonz Jun 2012 #119

Yeah ellisonz! You whiny grad-school communist tree-hugger! DanTex Jun 2012 #120

Yeah... ellisonz Jun 2012 #124

Your role as "DU spokesperson for victims of gun violence" was *entirely* self-appointed. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #132

like I said before gejohnston Jun 2012 #133

That's your interpretation. ellisonz Jun 2012 #137

Can you elaborate on point # 1? Marengo Jun 2012 #140

No elaboration required. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #145

And there lies the problem sarisataka Jun 2012 #153

There's also the fact that I have better things to do today... ellisonz Jun 2012 #154

Don't quite follow you squadron leader... sarisataka Jun 2012 #155

I disagree as your statement is ambiguous. Marengo Jul 2012 #165

Number 1 implies no private ownership of handguns. Correct? hack89 Jun 2012 #141

umm no gejohnston Jun 2012 #144

I'm not the one arguing words dramatically transubstantiated their meaning. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #146

OK student gejohnston Jun 2012 #149

*buzzer* ellisonz Jun 2012 #152

buzzer again gejohnston Jun 2012 #157

The supposed "right to privacy" is based on interpretation of the Ninth Amendment. ellisonz Jun 2012 #159

I actually don't see the anti intellectualism gejohnston Jun 2012 #122

"self aggrandizing, whiny grad student type who thinks he's a coffee house hero" ellisonz Jun 2012 #125

A lot more complex than that. gejohnston Jun 2012 #129

I paid attention in my sociology classes. ellisonz Jun 2012 #138

I'm glad you did gejohnston Jun 2012 #142

let me clarify something gejohnston Jun 2012 #161

I think we've got both covered this thread... DanTex Jun 2012 #156

what about chess? I fail to see how gejohnston Jun 2012 #158

It is just the internet... Clames Jun 2012 #128

I don't know why anti intellectualism would bother him rrneck Jun 2012 #131

Technical knowledge /= "intellectualism" ellisonz Jun 2012 #136

but sound policy requires technical knowledge. gejohnston Jun 2012 #143

"dangerous and unusual" ellisonz Jun 2012 #148

what about them? gejohnston Jun 2012 #150

Microstamping is another subject that the lack of technical understanding... Clames Jun 2012 #151

I'm quite open to this idea and here are some of my opinions on it. Kaleva Jun 2012 #46

Excellent idea, I agree 100%. n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #84

I like this as well.....particularly your point re. standards of behavior Simo 1939_1940 Jun 2012 #88

standards of behavior are subject to a jury...how do you propose that higher standard take effect? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #90

Members can be blocked from a group by the host for violating SOP Kaleva Jun 2012 #96

perhaps we could start a rough draft for an SoP.... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #98

GC&RKBA or the proposed "Gun Policy" group would be different... Kaleva Jun 2012 #99

by higher standard...basically ... a Safe Haven? I still don't understand why that same standard Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #100

I imagine one could do that here. Kaleva Jun 2012 #102

I am thinking that this could work...may need to add another host. It could be done but, I am not Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #103

I love this idea. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #58

would the Enthusiasts group be a safe haven? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #62

I would certainly hope so. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #81

Would having... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #66

That sounds fine by me. I'd vote for exactly that. n/t NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #79

Cool :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #92

How would you... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #65

Oh my God! I agree with Dan for once! Dr_Scholl Jun 2012 #77

Two separate safe-haven forums... "RKBA & Guns" and "Gun Control" OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #83

Disagree completely... MicaelS Jun 2012 #85

I think it is asking too much of Krispos if we go this route but, if he is OK with it Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #101

cofused. do you mean -- Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #91

On reflection this might be a splendid idea. rrneck Jun 2012 #87

I think it's a great idea. NT. Marinedem Jun 2012 #105

After much consideration, MicaelS Jun 2012 #121

As long as I can talk about Gun Policy in the Gun enthusiasts group, I'm cool with it. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #130