Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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153. And there lies the problem

Tue Jun 26, 2012, 01:02 PM

Jun 2012

Whenever it is asked of pro-control people, what are 'common sense laws' you get one of three replies:

-"to start we should..." implying there will be more to follow
-re-institute the 'holy grail' AWB which even pro-control people have admitted did nothing to reduce crime
-'well regulated laws' which they never quite get around to saying what those laws may be. The speaker will usually reveal their opinion that SCOTUS was wrong in their interpretation of the 2A (somehow seeing a Constitutional clause that you may ignore SCOTUS rulings if you disagree with the ruling or political leaning of the court).

Is it any wonder that gun control gets nearly no support from the 2A rights supporters? More extreme pro-gun laws are passed without comment because moderates want as much negotiating power as possible for the day the pendulum swings and people like Lautenberg and Feinstein are able to push their agendas...

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Proposal: two guns groups: "Gun Policy" and "Gun Enthusiasts". [View all] DanTex Jun 2012 OP

personally, I think any comparison to guns/penis Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #1

Too bad. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #4

lovely. Have a Nice Day. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #5

If they are so phallic sarisataka Jun 2012 #9

What red blooded man wouldn't want two dicks? Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #44

Oh I don't know, gejohnston Jun 2012 #45

That would just be a distraction sarisataka Jun 2012 #47

He didn't say double barrel Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #53

This red-blooded Man does just fine with ONE dick. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #67

What red blooded man... PavePusher Jun 2012 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #82

Its actually a part of the anti-gun enthusist culture of perjorative language. aikoaiko Jun 2012 #12

yep. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #39

You are either ignorant of symbolism and metaphors in culture Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #42

Your Freudian analysis is pass� aikoaiko Jun 2012 #50

Calling things pass� is pass� Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #123

Ties are phallic symbols. Trunk Monkey Jun 2012 #54

but what does it have to do with making policy? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #61

The Washington Monument is a phallic symbol. Skyscrapers are phallic symbols. Guns are NOT. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #68

That explains everything... AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #113

Maybe yours. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #112

That's why I think there should be two forums. DanTex Jun 2012 #7

I think Gun Policy should be Gender Neutral. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #8

"the identification of masculinity with guns" ?? Upton Jun 2012 #11

Yes, the identification of masculinity with guns. DanTex Jun 2012 #15

You see no sexism in your attitude? and while it may be legitmate topic of conversation somewhere on Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #23

I see zero sexism at all in my attitude. In fact, I resent the implication. DanTex Jun 2012 #37

In what way is it legitimate? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #57

indeed, It is an injustice to both sexes and I have to wonder if he is being intentionally obtuse. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #59

Many of the rest of us do ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #69

If I recall my stats correctly... PavePusher Jun 2012 #72

Most women aren't into all the hi-cap mags, expanding loads, stopping power, and such. Hoyt Jun 2012 #18

You take it upon yourself to Speak for Most Women? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #19

My apologies, I guess you are into Hi-cap mags and that other gun toting nonsense. Hoyt Jun 2012 #25

maybe a Browning Hi Power or gejohnston Jun 2012 #29

I own many standard-capacity magazines and I've never carried a gun outside in my life. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #32

One thing I am NOT into is your nonsense. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #34

top shots. love the show. absolutely women who are into gun for sport. target shooting. seabeyond Jun 2012 #40

Enjoyed watching "Top Shots" too. Good show. Kaleva Jun 2012 #52

ist it funny. i dont like guns. i dont watch tv. except when hubby turns on stewart and colbert seabeyond Jun 2012 #55

Yes, there is personal drama in that show besides the shooting. Kaleva Jun 2012 #56

i know. he was the arrogant jerk thru out the show and then at the end did that. seabeyond Jun 2012 #75

Why don't you help us out here? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #126

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #127

Thanks for sharing. Your honesty and openness is refreshing. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #135

thanks for the suggestion. I added it to my subscriptions... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #164

Most women I know gejohnston Jun 2012 #21

How is stopping power not pertinent to self-defense? NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #60

Yet another baseless and uninformed statement from you ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #71

Clearly, if you are plotting out an algorithm for possible scenarios where you shoot someone. Hoyt Jun 2012 #107

Scenarios are actually the best way to discuss and illustrate legal and tactical issues associated ProgressiveProfessor Jun 2012 #114

"I think..." PavePusher Jun 2012 #73

Takes lot of thought picking out the right lethal weapon, load, etc., to tuck away before venturing Hoyt Jun 2012 #108

Yeah, because none of those three things are helpful in a defensive role... Marinedem Jun 2012 #104

And what situation do you expect to arise that puts you in a defensive role where a gun is the only Hoyt Jun 2012 #109

Is your part of Georgia civilization? gejohnston Jun 2012 #110

If there are two forums.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #63

I'm thinking some folks may not like a "Gun Enthusiasts" group Kaleva Jun 2012 #76

Well, some folks at DU don't want any discussion of guns.. MicaelS Jun 2012 #78

Well if you are going to post about your caliber, bore size, stopping power, etc. . . . . . . Hoyt Jun 2012 #111

caliber and bore size are the same thing. ileus Jun 2012 #134

Some people look at it from bullet size, others look at the "hole" for some perverted reason. Hoyt Jun 2012 #139

And some keep attaching innuendo to these terms... Clames Jun 2012 #147

That's what happens when Ileus posts bull. Hoyt Jun 2012 #160

It's what happens when you post period. Clames Jun 2012 #162

what part was bull??? ileus Jun 2012 #163

In other words... beevul Jun 2012 #115

I think that is a reasonable way to accommodate most people on DU... rfranklin Jun 2012 #2

That depends... beevul Jun 2012 #116

Excellent approach. Hoyt Jun 2012 #3

Bingo. This is exactly what I want to see. n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #6

Mark the calandar sarisataka Jun 2012 #10

Could just change the one to Gun NUTS liberal N proud Jun 2012 #13

we are all gun Nuts just two opposite sides of the same coin. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #36

Or you could simply be polite and respectful of others. PavePusher Jun 2012 #74

I was liberal N proud Jun 2012 #86

you weren't and you know it but, its OK. we are used to the snide comments. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #89

This is why it should be the gun nuts liberal N proud Jun 2012 #94

Go step on Legos. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #95

Peace. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #97

Arms enthusiasts have plenty of forums outside of DU to discuss technical issues, recreation, etc. slackmaster Jun 2012 #14

I don't think anyone objects to that. DanTex Jun 2012 #16

How would you propose wording the SOPs for the two groups? Kaleva Jun 2012 #17

How about this: DanTex Jun 2012 #22

Your last paragraph addresses a question I had. Kaleva Jun 2012 #26

Makes sense, but one question gejohnston Jun 2012 #27

That wouldn't work, IMO. Kaleva Jun 2012 #30

agreed, gejohnston Jun 2012 #33

Maybe create a new Topic "Firearms" which contain the two groups. Kaleva Jun 2012 #35

I think this is best n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #80

This gets my vote. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #93

I don't know. DanTex Jun 2012 #31

I think this approach might have some merit. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #38

I do not support this approach although it is not an unreasonable suggestion aikoaiko Jun 2012 #20

agreed. and I would add that term gun porn is also offensive and sexist and goes a long way to Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #24

Love it! This is why I voted NO on the new TOS poll mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #28

I think a safe haven for Democrats to discuss gun policy is a good idea SecularMotion Jun 2012 #41

are you saying, gejohnston Jun 2012 #43

That's sort of a different discussion. DanTex Jun 2012 #48

You're right SecularMotion Jun 2012 #49

I think one ought to be able to discuss the gun safety programs provided by the NRA Kaleva Jun 2012 #51

How would discussing the pros and cons on renewing the AWB in a "safe haven" work? Kaleva Jun 2012 #64

"safe haven" = Where no one will disagree wtih my opinion or correct my errors DonP Jun 2012 #106

lol ellisonz Jun 2012 #117

And we're all waiting for you to post your fortnightly whine about the Gungeon in Meta again DonP Jun 2012 #118

You seem angry. ellisonz Jun 2012 #119

Yeah ellisonz! You whiny grad-school communist tree-hugger! DanTex Jun 2012 #120

Yeah... ellisonz Jun 2012 #124

Your role as "DU spokesperson for victims of gun violence" was *entirely* self-appointed. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #132

like I said before gejohnston Jun 2012 #133

That's your interpretation. ellisonz Jun 2012 #137

Can you elaborate on point # 1? Marengo Jun 2012 #140

No elaboration required. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #145

And there lies the problem sarisataka Jun 2012 #153

There's also the fact that I have better things to do today... ellisonz Jun 2012 #154

Don't quite follow you squadron leader... sarisataka Jun 2012 #155

I disagree as your statement is ambiguous. Marengo Jul 2012 #165

Number 1 implies no private ownership of handguns. Correct? hack89 Jun 2012 #141

umm no gejohnston Jun 2012 #144

I'm not the one arguing words dramatically transubstantiated their meaning. n/t ellisonz Jun 2012 #146

OK student gejohnston Jun 2012 #149

*buzzer* ellisonz Jun 2012 #152

buzzer again gejohnston Jun 2012 #157

The supposed "right to privacy" is based on interpretation of the Ninth Amendment. ellisonz Jun 2012 #159

I actually don't see the anti intellectualism gejohnston Jun 2012 #122

"self aggrandizing, whiny grad student type who thinks he's a coffee house hero" ellisonz Jun 2012 #125

A lot more complex than that. gejohnston Jun 2012 #129

I paid attention in my sociology classes. ellisonz Jun 2012 #138

I'm glad you did gejohnston Jun 2012 #142

let me clarify something gejohnston Jun 2012 #161

I think we've got both covered this thread... DanTex Jun 2012 #156

what about chess? I fail to see how gejohnston Jun 2012 #158

It is just the internet... Clames Jun 2012 #128

I don't know why anti intellectualism would bother him rrneck Jun 2012 #131

Technical knowledge /= "intellectualism" ellisonz Jun 2012 #136

but sound policy requires technical knowledge. gejohnston Jun 2012 #143

"dangerous and unusual" ellisonz Jun 2012 #148

what about them? gejohnston Jun 2012 #150

Microstamping is another subject that the lack of technical understanding... Clames Jun 2012 #151

I'm quite open to this idea and here are some of my opinions on it. Kaleva Jun 2012 #46

Excellent idea, I agree 100%. n/t MicaelS Jun 2012 #84

I like this as well.....particularly your point re. standards of behavior Simo 1939_1940 Jun 2012 #88

standards of behavior are subject to a jury...how do you propose that higher standard take effect? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #90

Members can be blocked from a group by the host for violating SOP Kaleva Jun 2012 #96

perhaps we could start a rough draft for an SoP.... Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #98

GC&RKBA or the proposed "Gun Policy" group would be different... Kaleva Jun 2012 #99

by higher standard...basically ... a Safe Haven? I still don't understand why that same standard Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #100

I imagine one could do that here. Kaleva Jun 2012 #102

I am thinking that this could work...may need to add another host. It could be done but, I am not Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #103

I love this idea. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #58

would the Enthusiasts group be a safe haven? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #62

I would certainly hope so. NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #81

Would having... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #66

That sounds fine by me. I'd vote for exactly that. n/t NewMoonTherian Jun 2012 #79

Cool :) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #92

How would you... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #65

Oh my God! I agree with Dan for once! Dr_Scholl Jun 2012 #77

Two separate safe-haven forums... "RKBA & Guns" and "Gun Control" OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #83

Disagree completely... MicaelS Jun 2012 #85

I think it is asking too much of Krispos if we go this route but, if he is OK with it Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #101

cofused. do you mean -- Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #91

On reflection this might be a splendid idea. rrneck Jun 2012 #87

I think it's a great idea. NT. Marinedem Jun 2012 #105

After much consideration, MicaelS Jun 2012 #121

As long as I can talk about Gun Policy in the Gun enthusiasts group, I'm cool with it. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #130