Gun Control & RKBA

Thor_MN

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79. In a word, No. An AED absolutely can not be used as a stun gun.

Mon Jul 2, 2012, 08:56 PM

Jul 2012

Your best hope if you are attempting that is for the other person to herniate themself laughing while you ask them to remove their shirt, so you can affix two sticky electrode pads and if they could make their heart fibrillate so the computer will deliver a shock.

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Going to get my concealed carry license today [View all] permatex Jul 2012 OP

When was the last time you had to defend yourself in public? Hoyt Jul 2012 #1

When was the last time you used your spare tire, fire extinguisher, or home insurance? AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #5

I can remember when I had a flat tire, so I carry a spare. I'm still waiting for the guy I posted to Hoyt Jul 2012 #6

I carry all the tools and training I need to administer CPR AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #7

You can't use a defibrillator on yourself. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #10

A defibrillator can double as a stun gun and also kill someone. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #18

In a word, No. An AED absolutely can not be used as a stun gun. Thor_MN Jul 2012 #79

would be much simpler to bean them with a can of beans first backwoodsbob Jul 2012 #167

Really? You can wrestle someone to the ground, amuse bouche Jul 2012 #85

it can't shoot 71 people in 2 minutes. CreekDog Jul 2012 #226

All the more reason to carry a gun then. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #230

Then I guess you'd have to carry a spare person too. tblue Jul 2012 #56

I carry nitro pills on a chain around my neck. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #143

Many public areas like malls... Clames Jul 2012 #45

The odds are a lot smaller than the fear. Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

Well most things are smaller than your irrational fears. Clames Jul 2012 #141

At least I don't need a gun tucked away to allay mine. Hoyt Jul 2012 #146

Instead you demand that millions of others quite legal packing to allay yours. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #147

Lots of things are legal, but not in society's interests. You don't get it, gun culture's love Hoyt Jul 2012 #153

Hoyt bongbong Jul 2012 #185

It was quite surprising running into this group here. Hoyt Jul 2012 #197

Legal concealed carry saves more innocent lives than it kills. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #192

Bull. What you don't get is more guns on the street are polluting society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #198

You seem pretty certain about more guns polluting society permatex Jul 2012 #199

Much like cannabis and comic books, I'm sure. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #200

Maybe they were right with respect to guns. Cigarette lovers don't think there is anything wrong Hoyt Jul 2012 #201

Save for the subject matter, their schticks were the same as yours is today friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #203

Yep irrational fears keep people carrying guns. I agree. Hoyt Jul 2012 #204

Ah, Hoyt. I sincerely hope you never change. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #207

Irrational fears keep people from carrying a gun RegieRocker Jul 2012 #224

How do you measure this "pollution"? hack89 Jul 2012 #208

Neither do I. Nor do I need petty insults or... Clames Jul 2012 #150

We get along fine without guns to comfort us. In any event, be safe on 4th. Hoyt Jul 2012 #151

I absolutely agree 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #175

most guns in the home end up killing a family member in a suicide or rage, progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #227

Have any evidence to back that up? gejohnston Jul 2012 #232

No irrational fear of the bogeyman here permatex Jul 2012 #74

no, your insurance can't accidentally kill a person while you think you're aiming at a criminal CreekDog Jul 2012 #225

Yawn. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #235

If you have to defend yourself against an attack by an individual who intends ... spin Jul 2012 #8

It matters if your fear is irrational. Truth is, you are not likely to have a real problem where Hoyt Jul 2012 #9

You apparently agree that "situational awareness" is the most important factor ... spin Jul 2012 #19

Hoyt's Omniscience. PavePusher Jul 2012 #20

Pave's "omniscience" that tells him he needs a gun. Hoyt Jul 2012 #34

Omniscience bongbong Jul 2012 #186

Everybody has already said that. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #25

How dare you light all those strawmen on fire like that?!?!?!? ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #210

Smart humans learn from the experience of others. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #11

Then follow that of the 95+% who walk down the street everyday without needing a gun. Hoyt Jul 2012 #12

That is not smart, that is lucky. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #16

That 95% are the ones who refuse to learn from the experience of others. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #17

No, they are the ones who are rational and believe guns have no place in public and are usually Hoyt Jul 2012 #29

Misguided in you opinion permatex Jul 2012 #75

"Rational" implies evidence. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #216

I've got plenty of first hand experience with gun loving bigots/right wingers. Hoyt Jul 2012 #217

Like Most Americans, I Support the RKBA But Choose Not to Exercise It At This Time AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #202

I'd suggest making a plan... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #22

K&R. My God, if you COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #24

Put that strawman back in the barn. No one is buying it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #26

Storm, how do you know someone is a street criminal until they've pulled a gun on you -- at that Hoyt Jul 2012 #31

You need to observe the situation, actions, and body language. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #40

Yea, I've reviewed some of those videos -- folks in hoodies, etc., seem quite common. Hoyt Jul 2012 #42

He will have to go through the stages of an attack. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #46

LOL! bongbong Jul 2012 #187

Because having one is not more dangerous than not. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #188

HO HO HO bongbong Jul 2012 #194

What are you permatex Jul 2012 #195

No bongbong Jul 2012 #206

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt permatex Jul 2012 #209

Most of those killed were unarmed, unable to fight back. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #196

Pulling "facts" from where bongbong Jul 2012 #205

It Seems to Happen Rather a Lot. Google "Accidental Discharge" AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #213

The answer you are having trouble grasping is "no". Clames Jul 2012 #214

Been in similar situations several times Mimosa Jul 2012 #239

You Would Point a Gun at Someone Because of His "Body Language"? AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #172

No, I would not. Please don't put your words in my mouth. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #179

Nobody who is trained to defend himself is that naive Mimosa Jul 2012 #240

That Still Means You are Pointing a Gun at Someone Who Has Done Nothing to You AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #243

I don't view it as luck - just basic COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #36

I know several who have used a gun in self-defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #43

How does "luck" differ from "basic probabilities"? ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #52

The NRA marketing rhetoric feeds into the fears... FarPoint Jul 2012 #180

Teens can't legally carry concealed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #212

You can live your whole life without ever needing a gun. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #28

That's probably correct. The more interesting COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #37

How many, indeed? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #39

I'd like to see those statistics. Can COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #41

Here you go: GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #44

Yeah, here you go. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #54

Best guess is about 11 million. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #103

Thanks for the assist! NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #117

100 of those were pure suicide in which the only dead person was the CCWer. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #118

I'm going to give them a pass and just use the straight VPC number. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #123

OK. I just wanted other to know about the 100. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #130

Here are some more stats. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #138

My opinion as well. Hoyt Jul 2012 #30

whoopie. Good for him. HALO141 Jul 2012 #35

And your point is??? COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #38

He probably means that Hoyt's opinion is Hoyt's opinion permatex Jul 2012 #76

That's absolutely true COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #136

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. permatex Jul 2012 #139

Yea right Meiko Jul 2012 #60

The strength of your argument is COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #137

I think the statement Meiko Jul 2012 #145

Well, I've always been opposite of what the majority do. permatex Jul 2012 #78

This are ample examples... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #21

When's the last time you had to defend yourself in public from a CCW permittee? n/t krispos42 Jul 2012 #23

Actually twice. They were bigots. The other time, the guy was carrying a rifle in his trunk which Hoyt Jul 2012 #32

Doubtful. Clames Jul 2012 #47

It's real -- a whole lot "realer" than the bogeymen you guys fear. Hoyt Jul 2012 #50

Real to you I'm sure. Clames Jul 2012 #169

Exactly Meiko Jul 2012 #64

? dtom67 Jul 2012 #55

Point is, you can defend yourself without a gun. Besides reaching for a gun when you are scared is Hoyt Jul 2012 #61

There are a lot Meiko Jul 2012 #65

I'm not sure it's a lot, but because of them we are supposed to sit back and be happy Hoyt Jul 2012 #68

WTF Hoyt Meiko Jul 2012 #98

Well, you know how it is. krispos42 Jul 2012 #164

you can? Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #116

Society is in "decline" because we have lost our values we had from the time of rl6214 Jul 2012 #149

Every Generation Says That About the Generation That Comes After It AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #171

We women need a force multiplier Mimosa Jul 2012 #241

In several states Meiko Jul 2012 #63

True, right wingers and NRA bought off legislators and got some onerous legislation enacted. Hoyt Jul 2012 #69

OR gejohnston Jul 2012 #70

It's worked well in Arizona for the right wing bigots I guess. Same in other states. Hoyt Jul 2012 #97

It's worked real well in Arizona Meiko Jul 2012 #99

Loughner and Border Klan being just a few exceptions. Hoyt Jul 2012 #104

Shall not be infringed Meiko Jul 2012 #95

"Well regulated militia" . . . . . . . Hoyt Jul 2012 #96

Very good Meiko Jul 2012 #100

I know exactly what it means, and you ain't in one. Hoyt Jul 2012 #102

You can quite beating that horse. It is very dead. Your side lost. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #105

Only until makeup of SC changes. Stevens dissent on Heller will Hoyt Jul 2012 #106

Stare Decisis. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #120

Good, keep a gun in your house for defense. Besides, these cases Hoyt Jul 2012 #122

I have asked before... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #140

Hoyt, I don't Meiko Jul 2012 #178

made up of citizens with their personal owned firearms. ileus Jul 2012 #109

Go down and say you want to enlist with your personal weapon. Hoyt Jul 2012 #111

he was referring to the Militia Act of 1792 gejohnston Jul 2012 #113

Fine - I'd pay to see you guys toting your gun with powder, balls, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #114

If you say so. BTW, gejohnston Jul 2012 #115

Yeah but what about the time you disarmed the guy with the .45, stripped it down rl6214 Jul 2012 #148

Don't forget chasing people down and holding oneshooter Jul 2012 #160

Next thing ya know he is going to be for the Arizona "papers please" law. rl6214 Jul 2012 #173

That must have been before he took Can of Beans combat training. n/t NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #193

And you saw their pistol permits? krispos42 Jul 2012 #163

Not since about 1975 or so permatex Jul 2012 #73

Before you begin to carry a gun jehop61 Jul 2012 #2

What makes you think that he will always stay in his part of town? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #13

Yes. Always bring a gun if you park at the mall. tblue Jul 2012 #59

Good points, except maybe the "Get a lawyer on retainer" in case you shoot someone. Hoyt Jul 2012 #14

Who said that? permatex Jul 2012 #80

Next time, look at who I replied to- it was not you. In fact, I was replying to sensible non-toter. Hoyt Jul 2012 #91

I get a complete physical every year permatex Jul 2012 #77

Insurance! Ezlivin Jul 2012 #152

Good luck. atreides1 Jul 2012 #3

Do you plan a "Walmart walk"? ... spin Jul 2012 #4

I thought about it permatex Jul 2012 #82

That is a mistake Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #89

Good advice permatex Jul 2012 #92

always hated that quote, btw. Japan, which is nearly gun free, is WAY more polite. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #228

The Japanese might be more polite ... spin Jul 2012 #233

I lived in Japan gejohnston Jul 2012 #234

Good luck to you Meiko Jul 2012 #15

Guns are very good offensive weapons... TeamPooka Jul 2012 #27

Exactly. And a lot of folks carry them under the guise of "defense." Hoyt Jul 2012 #33

They work equally well. Clames Jul 2012 #48

I can't agree with that Meiko Jul 2012 #58

Yep. And there is no guarantee you won't get arrested tblue Jul 2012 #62

My wife has defended herself twice with her gun. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #121

cross-posting with no comment Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #49

Does not seem relavent to the current thread. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #53

~ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #66

I cannot tell if ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #84

~no comment~ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #87

How did I stumble onto this gun nut thread... DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #57

No gun nuts here Meiko Jul 2012 #67

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #71

You OK? Meiko Jul 2012 #93

Ok everyone permatex Jul 2012 #72

Good on you. And please forgive Hoyt. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #83

I could care less what he thinks of me. permatex Jul 2012 #88

Congradulations. Oneka Jul 2012 #90

Wholeheartedly agree permatex Jul 2012 #94

Good for you Meiko Jul 2012 #101

Great! Wish more would follow your lead and force AARP to change its policy opposing RKBA. nt jody Jul 2012 #81

I refuse to belong to AARP permatex Jul 2012 #86

Congratulations to you! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #107

Permit me to wish you congrats as well. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #108

LOL Xela Jul 2012 #211

??? NT Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #215

Sorry Simo... Xela Jul 2012 #223

Congrats on exercising one of your greatest of rights. ileus Jul 2012 #110

Well, I qualified with permatex Jul 2012 #112

I finally got my mitts on a XDS ileus Jul 2012 #124

I can have a total of 5 guns on my permit permatex Jul 2012 #125

I can have a total of 5 guns on my permit Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #133

Whoops, my bad permatex Jul 2012 #135

In Texas the only restriction is how you test. oneshooter Jul 2012 #159

With those big heavy canons you won't safeinOhio Jul 2012 #126

They are not heavy at all permatex Jul 2012 #127

I think you'll find out, as I did, safeinOhio Jul 2012 #128

Good advice permatex Jul 2012 #129

It is my routine carry. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #131

I have a Ruger LCP .380 permatex Jul 2012 #132

LCP and 9c are my two favorites... ileus Jul 2012 #170

Most people that have a CCW rarely carry. Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #134

Most of my friends that have CCWs safeinOhio Jul 2012 #157

Anecdotal evidence is just that... Clames Jul 2012 #221

Wouldn't carrying "a spare tire if you are not driving a car" be like TPaine7 Jul 2012 #165

Millions and millions safeinOhio Jul 2012 #168

On my way to the local range to qualify with those permatex Jul 2012 #142

I'm back permatex Jul 2012 #144

Frankly, matt819 Jul 2012 #154

Frankly permatex Jul 2012 #156

carrying a gun is foolish. bowens43 Jul 2012 #155

If that's true permatex Jul 2012 #162

True Believers don't do statistics. They already "know" The Higher Truth... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #166

People who carry spares are far more likely to get flats 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #174

Good for you. As American society breaks down.... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #158

So I should be required to retreat from my own land and home? oneshooter Jul 2012 #161

We should require our government randr Jul 2012 #176

And yet we now have 49 states with conceal carry laws permatex Jul 2012 #177

I do not think the majority of people demanded it randr Jul 2012 #181

Please link to these polls permatex Jul 2012 #183

Numerous politicians have been voted out of office over concealed carry. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #190

^ True ^ n/t Mimosa Jul 2012 #242

We do that already Meiko Jul 2012 #182

Not an answer to the question. Are you afraid to answer it? oneshooter Jul 2012 #184

It already does. Clames Jul 2012 #191

Can you define "general welfare"? Colodan Jul 2012 #218

I guess I was taking some liberty on July 4th randr Jul 2012 #219

Good for you. I have been attacked and robbed several times. Lint Head Jul 2012 #189

If You Have Time to React At All AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #220

Your circumstances are not definitive of all circumstances. PavePusher Jul 2012 #222

Wish you bad luck. I hope somehow you're denied the concealed carry. HERVEPA Jul 2012 #229

LOL Remmah2 Jul 2012 #231

I live in a Shall Issue state permatex Jul 2012 #236

No, the world loses. HERVEPA Jul 2012 #237

Why? permatex Jul 2012 #238