Gun Control & RKBA

Meiko

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178. Hoyt, I don't

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 10:55 AM

Jul 2012

know what your education level is or whether or not you have read them. But the Federalist Papers were required reading for my constitutional law class when I was working on my degree. If you haven't done so I really suggest you read them, They are very enlightening and may give you some insight you may not currently have. If you have read them, read #29 again.

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Going to get my concealed carry license today [View all] permatex Jul 2012 OP

When was the last time you had to defend yourself in public? Hoyt Jul 2012 #1

When was the last time you used your spare tire, fire extinguisher, or home insurance? AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #5

I can remember when I had a flat tire, so I carry a spare. I'm still waiting for the guy I posted to Hoyt Jul 2012 #6

I carry all the tools and training I need to administer CPR AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #7

You can't use a defibrillator on yourself. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #10

A defibrillator can double as a stun gun and also kill someone. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #18

In a word, No. An AED absolutely can not be used as a stun gun. Thor_MN Jul 2012 #79

would be much simpler to bean them with a can of beans first backwoodsbob Jul 2012 #167

Really? You can wrestle someone to the ground, amuse bouche Jul 2012 #85

it can't shoot 71 people in 2 minutes. CreekDog Jul 2012 #226

All the more reason to carry a gun then. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #230

Then I guess you'd have to carry a spare person too. tblue Jul 2012 #56

I carry nitro pills on a chain around my neck. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #143

Many public areas like malls... Clames Jul 2012 #45

The odds are a lot smaller than the fear. Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

Well most things are smaller than your irrational fears. Clames Jul 2012 #141

At least I don't need a gun tucked away to allay mine. Hoyt Jul 2012 #146

Instead you demand that millions of others quite legal packing to allay yours. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #147

Lots of things are legal, but not in society's interests. You don't get it, gun culture's love Hoyt Jul 2012 #153

Hoyt bongbong Jul 2012 #185

It was quite surprising running into this group here. Hoyt Jul 2012 #197

Legal concealed carry saves more innocent lives than it kills. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #192

Bull. What you don't get is more guns on the street are polluting society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #198

You seem pretty certain about more guns polluting society permatex Jul 2012 #199

Much like cannabis and comic books, I'm sure. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #200

Maybe they were right with respect to guns. Cigarette lovers don't think there is anything wrong Hoyt Jul 2012 #201

Save for the subject matter, their schticks were the same as yours is today friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #203

Yep irrational fears keep people carrying guns. I agree. Hoyt Jul 2012 #204

Ah, Hoyt. I sincerely hope you never change. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #207

Irrational fears keep people from carrying a gun RegieRocker Jul 2012 #224

How do you measure this "pollution"? hack89 Jul 2012 #208

Neither do I. Nor do I need petty insults or... Clames Jul 2012 #150

We get along fine without guns to comfort us. In any event, be safe on 4th. Hoyt Jul 2012 #151

I absolutely agree 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #175

most guns in the home end up killing a family member in a suicide or rage, progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #227

Have any evidence to back that up? gejohnston Jul 2012 #232

No irrational fear of the bogeyman here permatex Jul 2012 #74

no, your insurance can't accidentally kill a person while you think you're aiming at a criminal CreekDog Jul 2012 #225

Yawn. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #235

If you have to defend yourself against an attack by an individual who intends ... spin Jul 2012 #8

It matters if your fear is irrational. Truth is, you are not likely to have a real problem where Hoyt Jul 2012 #9

You apparently agree that "situational awareness" is the most important factor ... spin Jul 2012 #19

Hoyt's Omniscience. PavePusher Jul 2012 #20

Pave's "omniscience" that tells him he needs a gun. Hoyt Jul 2012 #34

Omniscience bongbong Jul 2012 #186

Everybody has already said that. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #25

How dare you light all those strawmen on fire like that?!?!?!? ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #210

Smart humans learn from the experience of others. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #11

Then follow that of the 95+% who walk down the street everyday without needing a gun. Hoyt Jul 2012 #12

That is not smart, that is lucky. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #16

That 95% are the ones who refuse to learn from the experience of others. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #17

No, they are the ones who are rational and believe guns have no place in public and are usually Hoyt Jul 2012 #29

Misguided in you opinion permatex Jul 2012 #75

"Rational" implies evidence. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #216

I've got plenty of first hand experience with gun loving bigots/right wingers. Hoyt Jul 2012 #217

Like Most Americans, I Support the RKBA But Choose Not to Exercise It At This Time AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #202

I'd suggest making a plan... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #22

K&R. My God, if you COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #24

Put that strawman back in the barn. No one is buying it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #26

Storm, how do you know someone is a street criminal until they've pulled a gun on you -- at that Hoyt Jul 2012 #31

You need to observe the situation, actions, and body language. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #40

Yea, I've reviewed some of those videos -- folks in hoodies, etc., seem quite common. Hoyt Jul 2012 #42

He will have to go through the stages of an attack. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #46

LOL! bongbong Jul 2012 #187

Because having one is not more dangerous than not. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #188

HO HO HO bongbong Jul 2012 #194

What are you permatex Jul 2012 #195

No bongbong Jul 2012 #206

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt permatex Jul 2012 #209

Most of those killed were unarmed, unable to fight back. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #196

Pulling "facts" from where bongbong Jul 2012 #205

It Seems to Happen Rather a Lot. Google "Accidental Discharge" AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #213

The answer you are having trouble grasping is "no". Clames Jul 2012 #214

Been in similar situations several times Mimosa Jul 2012 #239

You Would Point a Gun at Someone Because of His "Body Language"? AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #172

No, I would not. Please don't put your words in my mouth. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #179

Nobody who is trained to defend himself is that naive Mimosa Jul 2012 #240

That Still Means You are Pointing a Gun at Someone Who Has Done Nothing to You AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #243

I don't view it as luck - just basic COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #36

I know several who have used a gun in self-defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #43

How does "luck" differ from "basic probabilities"? ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #52

The NRA marketing rhetoric feeds into the fears... FarPoint Jul 2012 #180

Teens can't legally carry concealed. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #212

You can live your whole life without ever needing a gun. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #28

That's probably correct. The more interesting COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #37

How many, indeed? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #39

I'd like to see those statistics. Can COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #41

Here you go: GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #44

Yeah, here you go. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #54

Best guess is about 11 million. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #103

Thanks for the assist! NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #117

100 of those were pure suicide in which the only dead person was the CCWer. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #118

I'm going to give them a pass and just use the straight VPC number. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #123

OK. I just wanted other to know about the 100. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #130

Here are some more stats. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #138

My opinion as well. Hoyt Jul 2012 #30

whoopie. Good for him. HALO141 Jul 2012 #35

And your point is??? COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #38

He probably means that Hoyt's opinion is Hoyt's opinion permatex Jul 2012 #76

That's absolutely true COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #136

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. permatex Jul 2012 #139

Yea right Meiko Jul 2012 #60

The strength of your argument is COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #137

I think the statement Meiko Jul 2012 #145

Well, I've always been opposite of what the majority do. permatex Jul 2012 #78

This are ample examples... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #21

When's the last time you had to defend yourself in public from a CCW permittee? n/t krispos42 Jul 2012 #23

Actually twice. They were bigots. The other time, the guy was carrying a rifle in his trunk which Hoyt Jul 2012 #32

Doubtful. Clames Jul 2012 #47

It's real -- a whole lot "realer" than the bogeymen you guys fear. Hoyt Jul 2012 #50

Real to you I'm sure. Clames Jul 2012 #169

Exactly Meiko Jul 2012 #64

? dtom67 Jul 2012 #55

Point is, you can defend yourself without a gun. Besides reaching for a gun when you are scared is Hoyt Jul 2012 #61

There are a lot Meiko Jul 2012 #65

I'm not sure it's a lot, but because of them we are supposed to sit back and be happy Hoyt Jul 2012 #68

WTF Hoyt Meiko Jul 2012 #98

Well, you know how it is. krispos42 Jul 2012 #164

you can? Shaktimaan Jul 2012 #116

Society is in "decline" because we have lost our values we had from the time of rl6214 Jul 2012 #149

Every Generation Says That About the Generation That Comes After It AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #171

We women need a force multiplier Mimosa Jul 2012 #241

In several states Meiko Jul 2012 #63

True, right wingers and NRA bought off legislators and got some onerous legislation enacted. Hoyt Jul 2012 #69

OR gejohnston Jul 2012 #70

It's worked well in Arizona for the right wing bigots I guess. Same in other states. Hoyt Jul 2012 #97

It's worked real well in Arizona Meiko Jul 2012 #99

Loughner and Border Klan being just a few exceptions. Hoyt Jul 2012 #104

Shall not be infringed Meiko Jul 2012 #95

"Well regulated militia" . . . . . . . Hoyt Jul 2012 #96

Very good Meiko Jul 2012 #100

I know exactly what it means, and you ain't in one. Hoyt Jul 2012 #102

You can quite beating that horse. It is very dead. Your side lost. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #105

Only until makeup of SC changes. Stevens dissent on Heller will Hoyt Jul 2012 #106

Stare Decisis. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #120

Good, keep a gun in your house for defense. Besides, these cases Hoyt Jul 2012 #122

I have asked before... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #140

Hoyt, I don't Meiko Jul 2012 #178

made up of citizens with their personal owned firearms. ileus Jul 2012 #109

Go down and say you want to enlist with your personal weapon. Hoyt Jul 2012 #111

he was referring to the Militia Act of 1792 gejohnston Jul 2012 #113

Fine - I'd pay to see you guys toting your gun with powder, balls, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #114

If you say so. BTW, gejohnston Jul 2012 #115

Yeah but what about the time you disarmed the guy with the .45, stripped it down rl6214 Jul 2012 #148

Don't forget chasing people down and holding oneshooter Jul 2012 #160

Next thing ya know he is going to be for the Arizona "papers please" law. rl6214 Jul 2012 #173

That must have been before he took Can of Beans combat training. n/t NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #193

And you saw their pistol permits? krispos42 Jul 2012 #163

Not since about 1975 or so permatex Jul 2012 #73

Before you begin to carry a gun jehop61 Jul 2012 #2

What makes you think that he will always stay in his part of town? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #13

Yes. Always bring a gun if you park at the mall. tblue Jul 2012 #59

Good points, except maybe the "Get a lawyer on retainer" in case you shoot someone. Hoyt Jul 2012 #14

Who said that? permatex Jul 2012 #80

Next time, look at who I replied to- it was not you. In fact, I was replying to sensible non-toter. Hoyt Jul 2012 #91

I get a complete physical every year permatex Jul 2012 #77

Insurance! Ezlivin Jul 2012 #152

Good luck. atreides1 Jul 2012 #3

Do you plan a "Walmart walk"? ... spin Jul 2012 #4

I thought about it permatex Jul 2012 #82

That is a mistake Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #89

Good advice permatex Jul 2012 #92

always hated that quote, btw. Japan, which is nearly gun free, is WAY more polite. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #228

The Japanese might be more polite ... spin Jul 2012 #233

I lived in Japan gejohnston Jul 2012 #234

Good luck to you Meiko Jul 2012 #15

Guns are very good offensive weapons... TeamPooka Jul 2012 #27

Exactly. And a lot of folks carry them under the guise of "defense." Hoyt Jul 2012 #33

They work equally well. Clames Jul 2012 #48

I can't agree with that Meiko Jul 2012 #58

Yep. And there is no guarantee you won't get arrested tblue Jul 2012 #62

My wife has defended herself twice with her gun. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #121

cross-posting with no comment Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #49

Does not seem relavent to the current thread. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #53

~ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #66

I cannot tell if ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #84

~no comment~ Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #87

How did I stumble onto this gun nut thread... DontTreadOnMe Jul 2012 #57

No gun nuts here Meiko Jul 2012 #67

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #71

You OK? Meiko Jul 2012 #93

Ok everyone permatex Jul 2012 #72

Good on you. And please forgive Hoyt. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #83

I could care less what he thinks of me. permatex Jul 2012 #88

Congradulations. Oneka Jul 2012 #90

Wholeheartedly agree permatex Jul 2012 #94

Good for you Meiko Jul 2012 #101

Great! Wish more would follow your lead and force AARP to change its policy opposing RKBA. nt jody Jul 2012 #81

I refuse to belong to AARP permatex Jul 2012 #86

Congratulations to you! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #107

Permit me to wish you congrats as well. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #108

LOL Xela Jul 2012 #211

??? NT Simo 1939_1940 Jul 2012 #215

Sorry Simo... Xela Jul 2012 #223

Congrats on exercising one of your greatest of rights. ileus Jul 2012 #110

Well, I qualified with permatex Jul 2012 #112

I finally got my mitts on a XDS ileus Jul 2012 #124

I can have a total of 5 guns on my permit permatex Jul 2012 #125

I can have a total of 5 guns on my permit Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #133

Whoops, my bad permatex Jul 2012 #135

In Texas the only restriction is how you test. oneshooter Jul 2012 #159

With those big heavy canons you won't safeinOhio Jul 2012 #126

They are not heavy at all permatex Jul 2012 #127

I think you'll find out, as I did, safeinOhio Jul 2012 #128

Good advice permatex Jul 2012 #129

It is my routine carry. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #131

I have a Ruger LCP .380 permatex Jul 2012 #132

LCP and 9c are my two favorites... ileus Jul 2012 #170

Most people that have a CCW rarely carry. Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #134

Most of my friends that have CCWs safeinOhio Jul 2012 #157

Anecdotal evidence is just that... Clames Jul 2012 #221

Wouldn't carrying "a spare tire if you are not driving a car" be like TPaine7 Jul 2012 #165

Millions and millions safeinOhio Jul 2012 #168

On my way to the local range to qualify with those permatex Jul 2012 #142

I'm back permatex Jul 2012 #144

Frankly, matt819 Jul 2012 #154

Frankly permatex Jul 2012 #156

carrying a gun is foolish. bowens43 Jul 2012 #155

If that's true permatex Jul 2012 #162

True Believers don't do statistics. They already "know" The Higher Truth... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #166

People who carry spares are far more likely to get flats 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #174

Good for you. As American society breaks down.... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #158

So I should be required to retreat from my own land and home? oneshooter Jul 2012 #161

We should require our government randr Jul 2012 #176

And yet we now have 49 states with conceal carry laws permatex Jul 2012 #177

I do not think the majority of people demanded it randr Jul 2012 #181

Please link to these polls permatex Jul 2012 #183

Numerous politicians have been voted out of office over concealed carry. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #190

^ True ^ n/t Mimosa Jul 2012 #242

We do that already Meiko Jul 2012 #182

Not an answer to the question. Are you afraid to answer it? oneshooter Jul 2012 #184

It already does. Clames Jul 2012 #191

Can you define "general welfare"? Colodan Jul 2012 #218

I guess I was taking some liberty on July 4th randr Jul 2012 #219

Good for you. I have been attacked and robbed several times. Lint Head Jul 2012 #189

If You Have Time to React At All AndyTiedye Jul 2012 #220

Your circumstances are not definitive of all circumstances. PavePusher Jul 2012 #222

Wish you bad luck. I hope somehow you're denied the concealed carry. HERVEPA Jul 2012 #229

LOL Remmah2 Jul 2012 #231

I live in a Shall Issue state permatex Jul 2012 #236

No, the world loses. HERVEPA Jul 2012 #237

Why? permatex Jul 2012 #238