Gun Control & RKBA

DrDan

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158. I was in the room - and I fully understand the reason

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #156)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 12:27 PM

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free speech supported for Florida docs - in opposition to NRA desire to gag [View all] DrDan Jul 2012 OP

gawd forbid we should keep guns out of the hands of people with violent fantasies & mental illness wordpix Jul 2012 #1

a poll on this forum (old DU) had 5 members supporting NO restrictions to gun ownership DrDan Jul 2012 #3

Oh boy. A whole five? That's... a .... lot? AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #33

no control over gun ownership . . . 5 astounds me DrDan Jul 2012 #34

There's hundreds of people in these forums. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #38

Six. I didn't get to take part in that poll. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #93

I wouldn't think removing age restictions and allowing mentally-challenged to own guns would be DrDan Jul 2012 #177

re: "...we should keep guns out of the hands..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #23

Especially a pediatrician Euromutt Jul 2012 #105

I would understand... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #145

Welcome back. You've been gone a long time. We missed you. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #150

I have no problem with doctors discussing gun ownership. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #2

And, I hope doctor looks at you and says, "For your child's sake and others, get out of my office." Hoyt Jul 2012 #9

Why would you wish for that? permatex Jul 2012 #19

shouldn't that be the doctor's prerogative? DrDan Jul 2012 #21

Sure it should permatex Jul 2012 #22

Because no physician should have to put up with what NewMoon posted. It's that simple. Hoyt Jul 2012 #27

What's wrong with telling your pediatrician permatex Jul 2012 #41

Your irrational love of guns, Dude, astounds me as well. Hoyt Jul 2012 #43

Then I've done my job here permatex Jul 2012 #44

You've dodged the question. PavePusher Jul 2012 #77

Not gonna happen Hoyt Meiko Jul 2012 #35

How does the doctor refusing treatment help the child. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #48

8 children dying per day seems to venture into the realm of a pediatrician DrDan Jul 2012 #51

That number is false. Less than one per day. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #54

uh huh . . . ok (denial does nothing to help the situation) DrDan Jul 2012 #62

Let's see the source then? pipoman Jul 2012 #76

read the article DrDan Jul 2012 #115

I did pipoman Jul 2012 #121

demonstrated by those with an ideological bias DrDan Jul 2012 #129

Back atcha permatex Jul 2012 #137

The truth is the truth and lies are lies, regardless the messenger.. pipoman Jul 2012 #140

I trust the U.S. Government's Center For Disease control for their statistics. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #123

And by refusing treatment the doctor helps the situation? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #55

Pools are far more dangerous to children than guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #161

I said nothing of withholding treatment of child. Just get the unfit dad out of the office. Hoyt Jul 2012 #72

I think you know full well why this happened in the first place, no? pipoman Jul 2012 #78

Be interesting to see if the is even allowed to happen under ACA ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #83

Why would the father or mother be unfit if they refused to answer a question about guns in the home? permatex Jul 2012 #95

That's fine by me, also. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #57

New Definition! bongbong Jul 2012 #66

How about a father so wedded to his guns that he won't even listen to someone who has probably Hoyt Jul 2012 #73

I'm not sure what your question is. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #88

I would suggest you do act on it. To do otherwise would be irresponsible. Hoyt Jul 2012 #89

I already store my guns securely. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #92

And I would suggest you worry about yourself . permatex Jul 2012 #96

And just how is the doctor to know this? permatex Jul 2012 #120

I have fired doctors for less. eallen Jul 2012 #71

I agree. And I would want one who confronts parents who smoke, drink too much, have a bunch of guns, Hoyt Jul 2012 #74

If I admit owning a gun will my pediatrician refuse treatment? Hangingon Jul 2012 #4

Nope, doctors will tell you to keep it away from kids and provide you some other valuable advice. Hoyt Jul 2012 #8

Really? No. You are wrong again. pipoman Jul 2012 #80

Jeeezus. I had not seen a photo of father. No wonder Pediatrician was so adamant/concerned. Hoyt Jul 2012 #90

LOLOLOLOLOL pipoman Jul 2012 #94

Yes, I can be quite judgemental of folks who carry guns. This guy just Hoyt Jul 2012 #97

So because you don't like what someone looks like permatex Jul 2012 #99

Geez really? Where have I pipoman Jul 2012 #100

I do know several things about him. One guns are too friggin important to him. Hoyt Jul 2012 #101

How about a cite pipoman Jul 2012 #104

Where does it say he was "carrying" a gun? DonP Jul 2012 #107

In the seminal case, the Doc refused care ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #84

Actually, Professor, doc did not refuse care. Gave family 30days to find another ped. Hoyt Jul 2012 #103

So you admit he did not give some simplistic advice as you claimed he would? ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #118

Actually you and DrDan have argued that doctors can dismiss patients for any reason. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #119

About time someone saw the wisdom in this. Maybe a few more kids will make it to adulthood. Hoyt Jul 2012 #5

That was a silly law... mvccd1000 Jul 2012 #6

I have no problem with this ruling permatex Jul 2012 #7

I hope doctor shows you a picture from emergency room where supposedly responsible gun owner's child Hoyt Jul 2012 #10

I don't need a doctor to show me that permatex Jul 2012 #11

Didn't the courts rule that patients can't be forced to put up with crap like that? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #164

Good to see 1A still has some merit in Florida. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #12

I wholeheartedly agree with you permatex Jul 2012 #15

There will always be some parents who put their devotion to guns before the love for their children. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #163

Your entitled to your opinion permatex Jul 2012 #170

And what would a civil answer have cost you? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #171

OK my civil answer would have been permatex Jul 2012 #172

Questions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #13

Just don't tell the doc you're an NRA member. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #14

LMAO Hoyt Jul 2012 #16

Good point permatex Jul 2012 #17

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it ... spin Jul 2012 #47

There's more to this story than meets the eye ... spin Jul 2012 #18

a patient has a choice, so should the doctor DrDan Jul 2012 #20

Just like pharmacists, right? DonP Jul 2012 #25

so if a patient refuses to share information critical to family health with their physician, DrDan Jul 2012 #28

So gun ownership is "critical to family health" now ... according to who? You? DonP Jul 2012 #36

it is critical to the 8 children that die daily DrDan Jul 2012 #37

I would point out that it is critical that the pediatrician point out to a parent ... spin Jul 2012 #42

You mean "Brady" children = up to 24 years old? Those children? DonP Jul 2012 #50

That number is false. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #52

the number came from the link in the OP - but you would know that if you took the DrDan Jul 2012 #53

Your number is still a lie. I went to the CDC for the true number. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #56

I'll trust the source from the link . . . DrDan Jul 2012 #60

Recognizing that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #64

That source is the Brady Center, which has been shown to lie to advance their agenda. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #126

shown by NRA and gun owners, right? DrDan Jul 2012 #127

Shown using data from the U.S. Government's Center For Disease control. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #130

8 per year . . . but go ahead and continue to muddle with the definitions if DrDan Jul 2012 #135

So you want to insist that 19 year old men in the Army are children? N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #143

one every 2 hours and 45 minutes DrDan Jul 2012 #147

I did read it sarisataka Jul 2012 #68

Here ya are again making up numbers, eh? pipoman Jul 2012 #82

nope - just reading the article DrDan Jul 2012 #112

And choosing to believe fiction over fact.. pipoman Jul 2012 #124

wrong on more than one level discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #39

guns sharing a home with children is, on it's own, "critical" DrDan Jul 2012 #49

It's amazing how so concerned you doctors are.. MicaelS Jul 2012 #58

you really should avoid jumping to conclusions about others DrDan Jul 2012 #59

He happens to be correct. You health care professionals are far deadlier than gun owners: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #98

"DrDan" isn't a health care professional; he holds a PhD in computer science (n/t) Euromutt Jul 2012 #109

more jumping to conclusions . . . DrDan Jul 2012 #113

No, I'm going by what I recall you telling me Euromutt Jul 2012 #116

my comment was not in response to your post DrDan Jul 2012 #117

not in the medical sense n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #61

I guess anything goes in protecting the sanctity of guns DrDan Jul 2012 #63

anything goes in protecting rights discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #65

typical DrDan Jul 2012 #70

There are important differences between physicians and pharmacists. eallen Jul 2012 #75

Answer every question I ask you, or I'll drop you krispos42 Jul 2012 #67

hyperbole DrDan Jul 2012 #69

Like "8 children a day"? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #79

read the article DrDan Jul 2012 #114

Yeah, I did. Where does that "stat " of "8 kids a day" come from? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #139

Accurate. krispos42 Jul 2012 #91

You can't really support a doctor for dismissing a patient who wished to maintain privacy... aikoaiko Jul 2012 #122

I can support a doctor in dropping a family when the parents exhibit more DrDan Jul 2012 #132

Since the child is at far greater risk from many other things.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #134

the doctor exercised his prerogative, rightfully so DrDan Jul 2012 #142

And you have failed to answer my question. PavePusher Jul 2012 #159

She only said she didn't want to answer the question, the intake stopped, and she was dismissed. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #138

never claimed to be an MD DrDan Jul 2012 #146

Do you support doctors dimissing their patients for any reason? aikoaiko Jul 2012 #153

no DrDan Jul 2012 #154

RW-whacko, gun loving friends permatex Jul 2012 #141

I certainly do - utterly stupid DrDan Jul 2012 #144

Well, at least we agree on something permatex Jul 2012 #152

that's where we part - I do think it is their business DrDan Jul 2012 #155

disrobing for her arm? gejohnston Jul 2012 #156

I was in the room - and I fully understand the reason DrDan Jul 2012 #158

Thats where we will agree to disagree permatex Jul 2012 #157

Wrong, wrong, WRONG. PavePusher Jul 2012 #160

yes they can - at least in Florida they can - thanks to the sensible judge DrDan Jul 2012 #162

Do you believe a doctor should be able to refuse care if told "NOYB"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #165

what a load DrDan Jul 2012 #166

I'll note that you still haven't been able to cite the source of the "stat" you quoted earlier. PavePusher Jul 2012 #167

once again . . . follow the link in the OP DrDan Jul 2012 #168

I take it your PhD is *not* in statistics, as that "8 per day" number you keep touting is incorrect. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #173

nice attempt at deflecting the argument DrDan Jul 2012 #176

Would *you* listen to someone who insisted "pi = 3"? That's less of an error... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #181

I have read the corroborating support for that number - and I am comfortable with it DrDan Jul 2012 #186

I went to the link in the OP. PavePusher Jul 2012 #174

we all get it - you do not like the number because it makes clear the impact of guns DrDan Jul 2012 #175

Why is someone with a doctorate in a technical field defending factual inaccuracy? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #180

Stop lying about my opinion, which I have not actually offered. PavePusher Jul 2012 #182

I do - you refuse to acknowledge that I provided my source DrDan Jul 2012 #184

every 2 hours and 45 minutes DrDan Jul 2012 #169

I ask again: Where does your cited stat come from? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #183

I don't know how to say it any differently - I provided the source for the number I stated DrDan Jul 2012 #185

O.K., I'll be as clear as possible. PavePusher Jul 2012 #187

you asked for my source . . . I gave you my source DrDan Jul 2012 #191

No, if you look back, I did not ask you for YOUR source.... PavePusher Jul 2012 #192

"Where does your cited stat come from?" - #183 DrDan Jul 2012 #193

In other words, a number pulled from the Ether..... PavePusher Jul 2012 #194

and your source for "lies" would be . . . . DrDan Jul 2012 #196

If Pave won't say it, I will. gejohnston Jul 2012 #199

I can understand that there may be different ways of cutting the data, for example DrDan Jul 2012 #200

BTW.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #24

If people are worried about docs asking about gun ownership... just lie and say. "no" OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #26

That's why a doctor asking that question is counterproductive ... spin Jul 2012 #45

What a disappointment. The article doesn't refer to the NRA at all. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #29

did you actually read the linked article? DrDan Jul 2012 #30

Thank you. So the NRA was not involved. The judge said that it could not be involved. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #31

the NRA tried to intervene . . . got it? DrDan Jul 2012 #32

The NRA needs Meiko Jul 2012 #40

Agreed permatex Jul 2012 #46

A similar law pipoman Jul 2012 #86

Now that is a law I can get behind permatex Jul 2012 #87

Well put Euromutt Jul 2012 #108

if there is a minor in the house bowens43 Jul 2012 #81

Why? permatex Jul 2012 #85

What about a swimming pool? pipoman Jul 2012 #106

agree 100% DrDan Jul 2012 #111

I'll ask the same question that bowens43 refuses to answer permatex Jul 2012 #125

I see - so when the gun is not secured, there is no reason to be on the alert? gotcha DrDan Jul 2012 #128

Didn't answer the question did ya? permatex Jul 2012 #131

I did - try to reread it with a focus on understanding DrDan Jul 2012 #133

No, actually you didn't. permatex Jul 2012 #136

I grew up with Dad's rifle hanging on the bedroom wall. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #148

You are wrong, and you are losing. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #149

It was a shitty law inspired by a shitty doctor's decision to deny service. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #102

I think you missed a "shitty" Euromutt Jul 2012 #110

What makes a doctor Meiko Jul 2012 #151

When one trains to be a doctor FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2012 #178

I have seen several Meiko Jul 2012 #179

Treating gunshot wounds does NOT make them a firearms expert. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #189

Okay FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2012 #190

Surely they should be equally or more concerned about cars, right? n/t PavePusher Jul 2012 #195

not unusual for a pediatrician to ask about seat belts and swimming pools DrDan Jul 2012 #197

There's no need for the doctor to know specifically if you own a gun or not. sylvi Jul 2012 #188

But *that* wouldn't allow for moral posturing.... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #198