Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Guns in Public, and Out of Sight [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)69. So we are back again to this:
What I am saying is that Judo techniques are more efficient, not effective. Judo effects the preferred result. Stopping and subduing an assailant without injury. I'm not an expert, but I've used those techniques many times with success, including disarming an adversary. Handguns are crude and carrying them for self-defense is way over the top.
Personally, If I was confronted with an armed attacker, I would be all for "over the top". I would not interested in seeing how little force is required to stop the attack on my life. You may think that handguns are "crude" and not as "efficient" as Judo (though I have to wonder how killing your attacker in seconds with a flick of the finger cannot be considered to be "efficient" ), but when your life is on the line, your best choice is the one that is the most effective.
That's why police officers carry firearms.
But all of that is academic. The bottom line is any kind of physical resistance against a violent attack is just that - physical resistance, and it requires the victim to be stronger and/or better trained than their attacker in order to succeed. This is an unrealistic expectation for most people.
So once again we are back to this:
Without firearms, any victim of violent crime has three choices: flee if they are fast enough, submit if they are tough enough, or engage in a physical contest of strength with their attacker.
Many people just don't have they physical capability to do any of those things. The firearm is an equalizer.
Personally, If I was confronted with an armed attacker, I would be all for "over the top". I would not interested in seeing how little force is required to stop the attack on my life. You may think that handguns are "crude" and not as "efficient" as Judo (though I have to wonder how killing your attacker in seconds with a flick of the finger cannot be considered to be "efficient" ), but when your life is on the line, your best choice is the one that is the most effective.
That's why police officers carry firearms.
But all of that is academic. The bottom line is any kind of physical resistance against a violent attack is just that - physical resistance, and it requires the victim to be stronger and/or better trained than their attacker in order to succeed. This is an unrealistic expectation for most people.
So once again we are back to this:
Without firearms, any victim of violent crime has three choices: flee if they are fast enough, submit if they are tough enough, or engage in a physical contest of strength with their attacker.
Many people just don't have they physical capability to do any of those things. The firearm is an equalizer.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
187 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
So refreshing and reassuring to know only the good guys carry guns, isn't it?
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#1
No, it's refreshing to know that not ONLY the bad guys can carry guns.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2011
#23
Studied some Judo at police college and later I did some Karate training. No belts or special PJs.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#55
Training for a black belt is difficult. Takes dedication, determination and time.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#80
No bullshit, I'm relating real life experience. Nothing Hollywood about it. No contradictions.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#86
I'm not denying that a gun is more effective than a martial art. So is a bomb.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#58
He said "Then there are likely situations where a gun is the best answer"
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#81
I don't want to disarm anyone, not even the criminals. I definitely don't want to discuss your guns.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#109
But since those people who legally carry in public represent no real threat to you
hack89
Dec 2011
#110
And that script will probably continue to be played out. Nothing new about your response.
Starboard Tack
Jan 2012
#136
Sanity is also not about repeating an unproven assertion, in the hopes it becomes accepted truth.
beevul
Jan 2012
#151
Again with the silly "guns are designed to injure or kill humans"...........
Simo 1939_1940
Jan 2012
#129
It's so refreshing and reassuring to know only the good guys use laptops, isn't it?
SteveW
Dec 2011
#30
I don't want to expand NICS or any other testing, except individual reality testing
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#38
Why don't you want to expand NICS? What were Bloomie's whiny videos about if not that?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#42
Then DO something. Support President Obama's proposals, for starters:
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#125
Can't help it- I took your claim to want effective gun control at face value.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#138
Individuals make the choice - as long as government doesn't get in the way.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2011
#56
"What makes you so special that these violent criminal pose a threat to you."
Simo 1939_1940
Jan 2012
#144
The number of guns in the US has risen, while gun violence has declined.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#184
Really good argument for more user fees to pay for background checks and record maintenance...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#6
So we should have fees required to carry a book or speak in public, and to vote.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#20
Or a good argument for just doing away with the requirement altogether.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2011
#28
Sounds like N.C. may have a communication problem between law enforcement....
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#7
The article admits that there are crimes prevented by those who legally carry concealed...
spin
Dec 2011
#9
Hard for NYT "to track [gun self-defense] episodes." Esp. if they neither try...
SteveW
Dec 2011
#65