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26. Debating Hoyt on Waco

Fri Jul 6, 2012, 10:28 PM

Jul 2012

is useless because he has no clue about what he's talking about. There was no rape of girls during the 51 day standoff which wouldn't of ever happened if the ATF had just arrested him in during one of his many forays into town.

There would have been no dead ATF agents, or dead women and children if the ATF hadn't tried to make their "dynamic entry" into the compound.
The ATF and FBI totally fucked up the whole operation.
But you'll never get Hoyt to admit that he knows not what he spews.

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Fast and Furious follow-up: the gun store allegations. [View all] DanTex Jul 2012 OP

Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly described the 9mm guns as "cop killer." aikoaiko Jul 2012 #1

I see gejohnston Jul 2012 #2

LOL. Breaking news from August 2011! How about we ask Amy Goodman from 2012? DanTex Jul 2012 #3

Of course your post would mean that if more evidence or another credible whistle blower ... spin Jul 2012 #5

Of course. DanTex Jul 2012 #10

And lest we forget permatex Jul 2012 #12

'bothched', how so? BT021 Jul 2012 #21

wrong HankyDub Jul 2012 #29

under the watchful eye and blessing of the ATF gejohnston Jul 2012 #30

Wow, a Republican witch hunt! And there I was thinking you were actually a progressive! DanTex Jul 2012 #31

sorry, the evidence is still stronger gejohnston Jul 2012 #32

BATF told the gun shops to break the law... BT021 Jul 2012 #33

Entrapment? Remmah2 Jul 2012 #39

Correct me if I'm wrong permatex Jul 2012 #41

I did not catch that, but would love to see a follow up. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #56

rational people don't ignore evidence they don't like gejohnston Jul 2012 #7

You mean like the Fortune investigation that you are ignoring? DanTex Jul 2012 #13

I'm not ignoring it at all gejohnston Jul 2012 #14

In other words, you actually have no evidence at all, just rumor and innuendo... DanTex Jul 2012 #15

in other words, you ignore gejohnston Jul 2012 #16

Valid points? From a guy who wasn't even involved with F&F? DanTex Jul 2012 #17

you obviously did not read gejohnston Jul 2012 #18

In the interview, which is from June 15, 2011 creeksneakers2 Jul 2012 #6

He started the website cleanupatf.org gejohnston Jul 2012 #9

I can't speak for all FFL's Meiko Jul 2012 #4

the people at Waco were the wrong religion gejohnston Jul 2012 #8

The religion of the people at WACO creeksneakers2 Jul 2012 #19

Yeah, law enforcement gave koresh 51 days to surrender. Hoyt Jul 2012 #22

Hoyt Meiko Jul 2012 #23

You made the assertion about Waco, I responded. Hoyt Jul 2012 #24

What I said Meiko Jul 2012 #25

Debating Hoyt on Waco permatex Jul 2012 #26

Sounds like blame the victims (dead agents who were guilty of nothing). Hoyt Jul 2012 #27

I rest my case. permatex Jul 2012 #28

The ATF murdered Meiko Jul 2012 #34

They had 51 days to surrender AFTER killing 4 agents. Even McVeigh knew that. Hoyt Jul 2012 #35

By sick and twisted logic that justifies BushII wars. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #36

Still beating that dead horse? permatex Jul 2012 #38

Actually, the day the 4 agents were murdered was not a flashy event. Things turned bad, Hoyt Jul 2012 #45

Hey Hoyt, permatex Jul 2012 #48

McVeigh supposedly thought Koresh was special and set out to avenge for him. Hoyt Jul 2012 #52

And that means what? permatex Jul 2012 #53

Actually, they did not. The ATF and other LE gave Koresh 51 days to surrender. He chose to hole Hoyt Jul 2012 #91

"The ATF did their job. " HALO141 Jul 2012 #90

The intent is not weather the ATF was right or wrong. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #37

Oh yeah. permatex Jul 2012 #40

It's good stuff. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #55

Bingo. Bait and Alert. The New DU3 Video Game. Best Game on The Nets -- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #68

The ATF is an embarrassment to us no matter which party is in office. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #11

I can agree with that Meiko Jul 2012 #20

Hey Hoyt Meiko Jul 2012 #42

Eye opening to those in the dark. permatex Jul 2012 #43

Probably Meiko Jul 2012 #44

I followed the Ruby Ridge and Waco sieges very closely permatex Jul 2012 #46

See post #47. permatex Jul 2012 #50

You called it Meiko Jul 2012 #63

Just another right wing hit piece that sounds like something neo-Nazis or KKK sympathizers would Hoyt Jul 2012 #47

You did exactly what I predicted you would do. permatex Jul 2012 #49

Of course, I'm not a supporter of armed terrorists or people who side with McVeigh, Beck, KKK, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

I am on the side of justice permatex Jul 2012 #54

Ask Koresh. He was given 51 days to walk out alive after he murdered agents. He chose not to. Hoyt Jul 2012 #57

Well, once again, permatex Jul 2012 #58

Weaver is/was a racist who wouldn't have gotten in trouble if he hadn't joined Ayran Nation. Hoyt Jul 2012 #59

I'll ask one more time permatex Jul 2012 #61

Sounds like prosecutors screwed up. You got a confirmed racist who trafficked Hoyt Jul 2012 #67

Sure, he was a racist d-bag who made bad decisions. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #64

He hid behind his wife and child. No, it was an example of racist gun nuts gone awry from moment Hoyt Jul 2012 #69

You're very quick to libel those whose political views you disagree with, aren't you? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #71

Are you defending those who sell guns illegally to Ayran Nation, KKK and worse? Hoyt Jul 2012 #72

He did not sell guns to either organization gejohnston Jul 2012 #73

I know, he was just at aryan nation meeting researching business opportunities. Hoyt Jul 2012 #75

we never said he wasn't a racist gejohnston Jul 2012 #77

I've got an assignment for you Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #78

Entrapping a racist gun trafficker at ayran nation meeting? LMAO. He was there, Hoyt Jul 2012 #80

I get it permatex Jul 2012 #81

The truth is clear, just like in Zimmerman's case. Hoyt Jul 2012 #82

Why do you always bring up Zimmerman? permatex Jul 2012 #83

Like you care about the truth. You care about guns - that's your truth. Hoyt Jul 2012 #84

I again rest my case permatex Jul 2012 #85

Have you noticed sarisataka Jul 2012 #86

Yeah permatex Jul 2012 #87

+1. Once again, I need to repost this from a few years back: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #89

He hung out with dodgy people, some of them criminals. Like you yourself used to be: friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #79

Everytime Hoyt posts here permatex Jul 2012 #76

I'm denouncing deliberate inaccuracy and McCarthyism. It's just as unacceptable when done by 'us'... friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #74

Yep: Godwinned in one! Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #60

I haven't put him on ignore because permatex Jul 2012 #62

Good call. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #66

Actually Meiko Jul 2012 #65

Some people really dislike when facts conflict with preconceived notions. sarisataka Jul 2012 #70

Funny thing about the groups you mentioned. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #88