Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)

9. the question is

Reply to Starboard Tack (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 9, 2012, 06:36 PM

Jul 2012

does the clerk know that? Many people can't tell the difference between a real one and a toy, mostly people who are not familiar with guns. A cop would have shot him and it would be ruled justifiable.
The clerk would have no way of telling the mental capacity or intent. We and she only learned that after the fact.

The question is, what would you do based on what the clerk knew at that moment?

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

39 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Shoot or No Shoot? [View all] Tejas Jul 2012 OP

The clerk would have been justified in shooting the guy slackmaster Jul 2012 #1

I'd say shoot.. EX500rider Jul 2012 #2

Everybody step back, that's a 100% hardcore badass right there 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #3

I wouldn't shoot gejohnston Jul 2012 #4

If you could tell it was a toy gun that's one thing... EX500rider Jul 2012 #6

It is always unwise to point a toy gun at a cop, a citizen or a criminal ... spin Jul 2012 #5

Shoot whom? A simpleton with a toy gun? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #7

the question is gejohnston Jul 2012 #9

Having watched the video a few times, I would have laughed. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #15

no she didn't gejohnston Jul 2012 #18

Simpletons with toy guns have gotten themselves hurt or killed. Clames Jul 2012 #10

All the more reason to teach kids never to mess with handguns. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #16

what does self defense have to do with it? gejohnston Jul 2012 #19

Has nothing to do with it. I was off topic again. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #30

Well they are a valid tool for self defense... Clames Jul 2012 #20

Good luck with that kind of thinking. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #31

Don't need luck. I had an excellent upbringing... Clames Jul 2012 #32

Um...do you have any support for that assertion? Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #33

Show me your verifiable data. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #35

You're changing the argument. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #39

In a previous post he has claimed that a "firm voice" is sufficient. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #38

Yea that clerk was going to kill him with his change... virginia mountainman Jul 2012 #34

But our gun culture friends just can't miss out on an opportunity to try out their lethal weapons. Hoyt Jul 2012 #12

Hopefully not. I don't take them too seriously. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #36

isn't it illegal to pull a toy gun on someone? isn't that akin to yelling fire in a crowded theatre Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #8

Yes. It is the same as having a real gun in the eyes of the law. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #17

As it turns out, shooting would have been wrong. You guys can have all your silly rules-of-thumb Hoyt Jul 2012 #11

Unfortunate, yes. You will need to explain your logic on "wrong". ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #13

With this one the only logic is Gun! = Wrong! n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #14

That would imply there was logic being used at all. Clames Jul 2012 #23

You feel lucky? Well do you? Tejas Jul 2012 #21

Hoyt, I believe the law would be on the side of cashier. Had he decided to defend himself against Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #22

C'mon. permatex Jul 2012 #24

How true Meiko Jul 2012 #26

maybe --- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #27

If you are savvy enough Meiko Jul 2012 #25

Since he did not have his finger on the trigger sarisataka Jul 2012 #28

Tejas, I am not sure what you are asking. Kennah Jul 2012 #29

No shoot - yet. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #37