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In reply to the discussion: Fast and Furious follow-up: the gun store allegations. [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)73. He did not sell guns to either organization
he was accused of with taking a hacksaw to a undercover ATF agent's shotgun, manufacturing an NFA weapon without a license. He was not convicted of that.
Weaver was approached at a 1986 Aryan Nations rally by ATF informant Kenneth Faderley (posing as a biker named Gus Magisono) who was investigating Weaver's friend Frank Kumnick. Faderley presented himself as an illegal firearms dealer from New Jersey. Faderley met Weaver again at the 1987 World Congress. Weaver skipped the 1988 Aryan Nations meeting and ran as a candidate for county sheriff (and lost). In 1989, Weaver supplied two modified shotguns to Faderley. The ATF maintained that the weapons supplied by Weaver were illegally shortened when Faderley received them, Weaver has claimed otherwise. The DOJ Ruby Ridge Task Force Report (1994) records that Faderley stated Weaver showed him an unaltered shotgun and Faderley pointed out where he wanted Weaver to cut the gun. The ATF wanted to use Weaver to introduce Faderley to Charles Howarth who was starting a group in Montana, after which the ATF intended to drop the Kumnick and Weaver investigations. Weaver refused to take Faderley to Montana in November 1989 and Faderley was told by his superiors to have no further contact with Weaver.
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Note: An earlier version of this story incorrectly described the 9mm guns as "cop killer."
aikoaiko
Jul 2012
#1
Of course your post would mean that if more evidence or another credible whistle blower ...
spin
Jul 2012
#5
Wow, a Republican witch hunt! And there I was thinking you were actually a progressive!
DanTex
Jul 2012
#31
In other words, you actually have no evidence at all, just rumor and innuendo...
DanTex
Jul 2012
#15
Actually, the day the 4 agents were murdered was not a flashy event. Things turned bad,
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#45
Actually, they did not. The ATF and other LE gave Koresh 51 days to surrender. He chose to hole
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#91
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Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2012
#68
The ATF is an embarrassment to us no matter which party is in office.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2012
#11
Just another right wing hit piece that sounds like something neo-Nazis or KKK sympathizers would
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#47
Of course, I'm not a supporter of armed terrorists or people who side with McVeigh, Beck, KKK, etc.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#51
Ask Koresh. He was given 51 days to walk out alive after he murdered agents. He chose not to.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#57
Weaver is/was a racist who wouldn't have gotten in trouble if he hadn't joined Ayran Nation.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#59
He hid behind his wife and child. No, it was an example of racist gun nuts gone awry from moment
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#69
You're very quick to libel those whose political views you disagree with, aren't you?
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#71
He hung out with dodgy people, some of them criminals. Like you yourself used to be:
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#79
I'm denouncing deliberate inaccuracy and McCarthyism. It's just as unacceptable when done by 'us'...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#74