Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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69. you missed the point

Fri Jul 13, 2012, 07:04 PM

Jul 2012

Did the agent fire at Sammy for no reason and without identifying himself, killing the dog? Yep
Did Sammy fire back in self defense? Yep. He had no way of knowing the machine gun fire from behind trees was a cop. Sammy acted in legal self defense, no jury in the US or Canada would have convicted him. You missed that part, not that you give a shit because it was a poor kid in Idaho that was murdered.
Did Sammy flee? yep
Did the agent fire another burst from his SMG after Sammy was fleeing?yep
Did the rounds hit Sammy in the back? Yep.
Did Harris kill the agent? yep.
Was Harris convicted of murder? Nope. The jury ruled it was legitmate self defense for the reasons stated above.
Did the USMS claim Weaver shot Sammy? Yep.
Did a police ballistics expert prove the USMS lied and proved the rounds in fact came from the USMS issue Colt sub machine gun? Yep.
Did one of the FBI agents in charge go to prison for obstruction of justice? Yep.

That is what the facts of the case were, that is why the tax payers coughed up millions of dollars to the Weaver family. That is why an FBI agent is in prison.

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Police: 17-year-old shot robbing home with two other men. [View all] permatex Jul 2012 OP

Obviously, the home owner was a racist. HALO141 Jul 2012 #1

No doubt. nt. permatex Jul 2012 #2

The whole story is weird Meiko Jul 2012 #3

Guns as solution to guns. Loudly Jul 2012 #4

You forgot to remind us all how many "points awarded", shares. beevul Jul 2012 #5

shares? uhm -- Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #9

"Emboldened by possession" Spoonman Jul 2012 #6

There are a few animists that post here in the Gungeon. Loudly/sharesunited is one of them. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #11

Don't forget... Clames Jul 2012 #12

Extremely well stated DWC Jul 2012 #117

So, zero points awarded according to your scoring system? slackmaster Jul 2012 #7

Then presumably crimes such as burglary would primarily exist in areas with broad access to guns 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #8

There are more home invasion crimes in the UK than the US. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #10

Actually, that is not remotely true. Hoyt Jul 2012 #13

In fact, it is. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #14

When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source. Hoyt Jul 2012 #15

When will you? NT gejohnston Jul 2012 #16

Hey Hoyt Meiko Jul 2012 #17

I just want to know site the post above came from? Hoyt Jul 2012 #18

It came from me, using data gathered from multiple sources. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #63

I think he has proven time and again permatex Jul 2012 #64

I don't consider DOJ questionable, I am wondering about your conclusions. Hoyt Jul 2012 #65

The conclusion is based on this: Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #68

Another funny thread from the gun-relgionists bongbong Jul 2012 #85

Didn't you get enough posts deleted yesterday? permatex Jul 2012 #94

You mean an anti-gun religionist acually had posts deleted??? shadowrider Jul 2012 #99

3 of them yesterday. permatex Jul 2012 #101

Dang. I thought all the anti-gun religionists had teflon better than Gotti n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #106

I don't know who alerted on them permatex Jul 2012 #107

Thanks Meiko Jul 2012 #66

Customary to give a link to the source? permatex Jul 2012 #19

Why don't you give us an example of a quote I've posted like that without a link. Hoyt Jul 2012 #20

Not a quote permatex Jul 2012 #21

That's totally different - obviously an opinion (and highly likely one too). Hoyt Jul 2012 #22

Read the rest of the post permatex Jul 2012 #23

You don't like the opinion because it taints your beloved guns. This is a political site. Hoyt Jul 2012 #24

Here Hoyt. just for you permatex Jul 2012 #25

That's great, poor old weaver would do things differently if he had it to do over (from your links). Hoyt Jul 2012 #32

You are so predictable permatex Jul 2012 #36

You are predictable too. You'll support racist weaver, but cheer right wingers going after Holder. Hoyt Jul 2012 #41

Ahhhhhhhh permatex Jul 2012 #42

It's customary to provide a link when accusing someone of cheering on right wingers shadowrider Jul 2012 #100

Can you cite to evidence of this "conspiring to harm or kill them"? PavePusher Jul 2012 #54

By the way, "Mr. Weaver" is full of shit, having been coached. That's an opinion if you can't tell. Hoyt Jul 2012 #35

Your stating it as a fact permatex Jul 2012 #39

Permatex, did you read this part of weaver's testimony. Ya gotta like Senator Feinstein's approach. Hoyt Jul 2012 #43

I never said that Weaver wasn't wrong permatex Jul 2012 #44

Feinstein: Mr. Weaver do you have any swastikas. Weaver: I gotta go to bathroom really bad. Hoyt Jul 2012 #47

Like I said permatex Jul 2012 #48

What - you gotta go to the bathroom really bad? Hoyt Jul 2012 #49

so let's see gejohnston Jul 2012 #50

Weaver was not "entrapped" into anything he hadn't done before. Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

hate to tell you this but gejohnston Jul 2012 #52

No, I'm not for raiding clinics. But we are talking terrorism with weaver. Hoyt Jul 2012 #53

Weaver was not convicted of a crime gejohnston Jul 2012 #56

Is Sammy one who fired on agents? Would like to see proof and Hoyt Jul 2012 #57

careful of what you asked for gejohnston Jul 2012 #58

You are right, doesn't matter -- weaver committed crimes against humanity. Should have thought Hoyt Jul 2012 #61

you missed the point gejohnston Jul 2012 #69

Thank you permatex Jul 2012 #70

Doesn't matter -- sammy was following in his dad's racist, terrorist footsteps. Marshals say they Hoyt Jul 2012 #71

They claimed gejohnston Jul 2012 #72

I know, these were fine gun loving racist, terrorists. Hoyt Jul 2012 #73

marshals lied gejohnston Jul 2012 #74

I've come to the definite conclusion permatex Jul 2012 #75

So you finally admit it permatex Jul 2012 #83

WHAT Terrorism? PavePusher Jul 2012 #110

So you consider racism, trafficking guns, having blasting caps, etc., normal gun culture behavior? Hoyt Jul 2012 #119

Oddly, that doesn't at all resemble anything I just said. PavePusher Jul 2012 #120

Am I hearing this correctly sarisataka Jul 2012 #59

yes, and machine gun the gejohnston Jul 2012 #60

You have nothing to worry about if you don't conspire with bigots, traffic guns, possess explosives, Hoyt Jul 2012 #121

I posses explosives. oneshooter Jul 2012 #122

Yes, if you are conspiring with Ayran Nation, some local militia group, etc. Hoyt Jul 2012 #130

And if I am not? If I am only using it for my own pleasure? oneshooter Jul 2012 #133

I think we'd need further information. If a neighbor in an adjoining apartment had 18 lbs. of Hoyt Jul 2012 #135

I generally buy 20-25lbs at a time, and I pay a shipping premium to have it delivered to my home. oneshooter Jul 2012 #137

If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, eh? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #138

Wow sarisataka Jul 2012 #139

Judging by your posts permatex Jul 2012 #62

Was any of that justification for the government to kill a dog and two people... PavePusher Jul 2012 #55

Sometimes I just gotta wonder shadowrider Jul 2012 #102

Or run over by a bicycle front tire. permatex Jul 2012 #105

I guess I don't get an answer, huh? PavePusher Jul 2012 #111

with all of the false allegations of racism around here gejohnston Jul 2012 #26

Nope, I am accusing right wing Tbagging gun carriers of racism. You guys only help enable them. Hoyt Jul 2012 #33

More judgemental liberalism, eh? pipoman Jul 2012 #38

Help enable them permatex Jul 2012 #45

I don't see any 14 year old kids here gejohnston Jul 2012 #46

You guys post stories of some yahoo with guns shooting teens all the time. Hoyt Jul 2012 #78

prove it gejohnston Jul 2012 #79

So by that logic, would you have a problem with cops shooting OWS people shadowrider Jul 2012 #103

"...not agent doing his job against terrorist." PavePusher Jul 2012 #112

Isn't that big guy Meiko Jul 2012 #76

Amazing bongbong Jul 2012 #87

Waples Mill Road? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #108

I haven't seen ANY defense of a "Neo-Nazi". PavePusher Jul 2012 #113

Careful bongbong Jul 2012 #88

I bet. Don't have any "proof" for our buddy, but highly likely IMO. Hoyt Jul 2012 #95

Didn't get enough of your posts deleted yesterday did you? permatex Jul 2012 #97

"highly likely opinion?" It's only a highly likely opinion from you aikoaiko Jul 2012 #34

"Sometimes things are clear without the need to study them" 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #28

Beat me to it sarisataka Jul 2012 #29

That is rapidly becoming one of my favorite quotes 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #30

I do like the double standard sarisataka Jul 2012 #31

Kinda sounds like permatex Jul 2012 #37

Links to testimony of a lying racist terrorists means little to me. Hoyt Jul 2012 #84

Hey Hoyt , we get it, permatex Jul 2012 #86

Weavers supplied no facts. When pressed, he could only say, "gotta go to bathroom, really bad. " Hoyt Jul 2012 #96

Didn't read the second link did you? permatex Jul 2012 #98

"Weavers of the world". Dang, I thought everyone was a Zimmerman n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #104

"Further, every citizen should report anyone carrying a gun in public " 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #123

sharesunited has no shame..nor does any aliases he may inhabit.. pipoman Jul 2012 #40

Interesting to see him and HankyDub back with new accounts. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #67

It's just a coincidence. slackmaster Jul 2012 #81

I don't get it Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #109

A homeowner who may or may not be an asshole shot an intruder who definitely was one tularetom Jul 2012 #27

I agree with your opinion. richmwill Jul 2012 #77

The place could use a better class of "anti" and some gejohnston Jul 2012 #82

Predictable bongbong Jul 2012 #89

or rouge cops gejohnston Jul 2012 #90

Ever so vigorous! bongbong Jul 2012 #91

Defending cops gejohnston Jul 2012 #114

did you pass the fourth grade? gejohnston Jul 2012 #116

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #126

I'll take that as a no gejohnston Jul 2012 #129

I'll take that as a yes bongbong Jul 2012 #131

Instead of getting your posts deleted, permatex Jul 2012 #118

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #125

Hidden posts bongbong Jul 2012 #92

Splling bongbong Jul 2012 #93

why do so many gun grabbers seem to have the reasoning ability gejohnston Jul 2012 #115

Very good bongbong Jul 2012 #127

Hope the irony isn't lost on you. Clames Jul 2012 #134

"who spends a lot of time vigorously defending Neo-Nazis." 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #124

Sadly, no bongbong Jul 2012 #128

That would be anyone who doesn't favor a complete ban on firearms I take it? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #132

Homeowner did what he had to do...safety first ileus Jul 2012 #80

Homeowner did what he chose to do -- don't think he "had" to shoot her in this case. Hoyt Jul 2012 #136

Wait just a minute permatex Jul 2012 #140

Not "no matter what", but tie goes to homeowner. I"d like to know what happened. Hoyt Jul 2012 #141

What "unusual facts"? permatex Jul 2012 #142

We don't have any facts. No I don't side with "thugs." Nor, do I think it is always OK homeowner Hoyt Jul 2012 #143

Who here has cheered her death? permatex Jul 2012 #144

Straight from the Ft Worth Star Telegram.. MicaelS Jul 2012 #145

If in fact they went THERE to buy drugs, sounds like the homeowner/occupants ain't so innocent. Hoyt Jul 2012 #146

It does not sound like the home owner was an outstanding citizen sarisataka Jul 2012 #147

I think Hell Has Officially Frozen Over... MicaelS Jul 2012 #148

I have it marked. The news reports must have been written by idiots because you really have to dig Hoyt Jul 2012 #149