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In reply to the discussion: Time for RKBA DU'ers to make a choice...the NRA or the USA? [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)181. Now I remember why I dumped the Green Party
I find your interpretation of the quote you edited to add to be "interesting." To compare today's paranoid and overwhelmingly white gun rights movement to the struggle of black people in the civil rights era south is pretty vile. This brings me back to the NRA, which fully supports the new Jim Crow voter ID laws being pushed by the right all across the country.
No, I did not edit nor did I add anything. What evidence do you have that the NRA supports voter suppression laws? ALEC might push the agenda of members, but that does not mean all members agree or want the same things.
I'm not a member of the NRA, and MM is hardly a hardly an objective source anymore than townhall is. One is right, one is left, but the honesty of both are less than ideal. The only reason David Brock switch sides was because his benefactors did not like him being slightly nice to Mrs. Clinton and when he came out. The latter got him fired from the American Spectator. The was a smear artist then. Now he is simply getting even. His spots did not change.
No doubt about it. The oppressor will always have the upper hand when the oppressed resort to violence. Guns are instruments of oppression. I'd like to see our police forces be disarmed, but that isn't likely to happen when they are constantly confronted by armed citizens. It isn't reasonable to expect the police to disarm in that situation.
That is the stupidest pile of pseudo intellectual bullshit I have read in a long time. That is why I quit supporting the Green Party. These "armed citizens" are also oppressors. Gangsters and predators are oppressors. The only difference is one is supported by taxes and the other is supported by greed and the drug culture. In Norway and New Zealand, the police are disarmed, but the citizens are not.
When it comes to the military, that's a larger cultural question in my opinion. In order to dismantle the oppressive military apparatus, we need to start with a cultural shift. We need to stop lionizing current and former military as valorous heroes and freedumb defenders and recognize what they are actually doing. What they are actually doing is operating the enforcement arm of the US's vicious corporate backed foreign policy agenda, which is in direct opposition to the actual interests of the average US citizen. As such, being a current or former member of these organizations is something to be deeply ashamed of.
I won't waste my time with this drivel. As a veteran, go fuck yourself.
Then, if/when we scale back the operational capacity of these organizations or eliminate them altogether, we can return to the true intent of the authors of the 2nd amendment, namely a citizens militia whose purpose is defense from foreign invaders, not projecting imperial power.
A lot more complex than that, but a Swiss model military would be better. The 2A doesn't have a fucking thing to do with the MIC.Edit history
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You better not eat more than one Buffalo Wing at a time or you're a wing nut n/t
shadowrider
Jul 2012
#96
Hey, I never criticize another's drink.......as long as they are willing to share. nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2012
#147
Question: If the starter sent you to the first tee to go out with my threesome...
cherokeeprogressive
Jul 2012
#183
Yet, the NRA gives positive ratings to Democrats, just fine, as long as they come down on the
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2012
#14
NRA supports a lot of right wing causes unrelated to guns. Check out their leadership.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#35
When grover norquist goes to scratch Republican congressperson's back, he's lobbying for more guns,
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#50
Permatex, rather than buying another gun, try getting an education on how these organizations work.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#55
Hoyt, rather than dodging, try providing *actual evidence* to back up your assertion...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#61
You, yesterday: "When you quote something like that, it is customary to give a link to the source."
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#65
Not unless the ACLU starts paying speaking fees to Glenn Beckkk and $arah Palin
HankyDub
Jul 2012
#66
You'd better watch it- some folks don't like skeptics who cast doubt upon their One True Faith...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#58
NRA doesn't really care what happens to guns after they are sold, only that they are sold.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#43
And I can proudly say that I'm doing my part to add another 100 million guns sold.
permatex
Jul 2012
#47
Ordered, paid for, on it's way to a las vegas gun store for p/u next week, also ordered
permatex
Jul 2012
#91
Bambi's mom, that's who. They are well made, and would be a great deer rifle...
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#63
Lord man, they've figured out how to take a "percentage" of things by just handling lobbying, etc.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#121
The reports that for the past 30 years have trumpeted historic declines in gun violence?
hack89
Jul 2012
#46
The reason I am making a stink is that they are advocating agains the interests
HankyDub
Jul 2012
#132
I have been in many of the poor areas and housing projects in El Paso and have NEVER
rl6214
Jul 2012
#88
Wait, wait, oh I get it. You are baiting. Yep. The old "show me some stats" bait.
rhett o rick
Jul 2012
#114
No, no, you're not a dick. I was commending you for demanding that he provide evidence
rhett o rick
Jul 2012
#125
Yes - the shrill fear mongering about CCW, open carry and SYG are just bullshit.
hack89
Jul 2012
#141
As long as we don't have to choose between mindless hysteria and reason.
4th law of robotics
Jul 2012
#30
Folks like you, for example, dutifully internalizing -- and repeating - their crafted talking points
villager
Jul 2012
#70
The advanced search function is your friend. Donate, and you'll be able to use it too:
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#163
Then why defend a group that even you see as saturated with right-wing politics?
villager
Jul 2012
#202
I didn't defend *them*, I asked *you* how they allegedly 'trained' apologists.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#207
Sort of obvious, isn't it? They've positioned themselves in the minds of gunfolk in such a way that
villager
Jul 2012
#208
Kindly point out this "defense" of the NRA you keep mistakenly attributing to me.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#210
Then you can join the rest of sane and compassionate humanity in the wake of Aurora.
villager
Jul 2012
#212
Ignoring a tragedy to continue a debate about an organization you're still defending? How craven.
villager
Jul 2012
#214
And again, pointing out *your* specious claim is not a defense of *them*. A pox on both your houses!
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#215
So how did *you* learn enough about them to 'know' they come from the NRA?
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#83
Check it out. Rand Paul is trying to replace a treasonous oath to Grover Nordquist with one to NRA
patrice
Jul 2012
#128
You distort the true history of Rosa Parks and of the civil rights movement in general.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#200
People should have a right to unionize and organize and have their privacy respected.
Atypical Liberal
Jul 2012
#165