Gun Control & RKBA

Callisto32

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139. So it would be better to lie down and die at the hands of those that would do violence?

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:24 PM

Dec 2011

Or, worse, to allow harm to come to another when it is in your power to stop it?

No, sir.

To let someone prey upon another human being or yourself is the ultimate abdication of the responsibility you hold to yourself and others.

All situations should be handled with the minimum amount of force possible. We shouldn't shoot to kill, we should shoot to stop. Unfortunately for those that ply their sick trade of initiated violence against others, often the only sure way to stop a person engaged in such violence is to cause catastrophic damage to a vital system. For you to suggest that in taking the life of another in defense of myself, or those to whose care I am charged not only makes me a hypocrite, but somehow less alive is just.....irrational and insulting.

I've scrapped for my life, and I know first hand the kind of scars that being on the receiving end of a violent individual's insanity causes. To suggest that it is better to let those monsters do that that people....just wow.

Calling those that disagree with you morons before they have spoken....again, just wow.

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A firearm is only... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 OP

There ar e dozens of portable PSD's the pistol is one of the smallest and most important. ileus Dec 2011 #1

I believe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #2

Nonviolence. Gregorian Dec 2011 #3

A t-shirt for you: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #4

there is a difference between nonviolence and pacifism gejohnston Dec 2011 #5

What was that old USAF SAC saying? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #10

Working in nursing homes and group homes, ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #111

good point gejohnston Dec 2011 #112

maybe Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #122

However to be unwilling to defend yourself when you are attacked... spin Dec 2011 #8

+1 ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

There's a difference between nonviolence and protecting yourself rl6214 Dec 2011 #17

There's a difference between... ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

So are you saying the only just violence is the violence of an Army? Kennah Dec 2011 #29

Nope. Not at all... ellisonz Dec 2011 #32

You analogies are silly Kennah Dec 2011 #83

The standard for Courts is "immanent" I believe... ellisonz Dec 2011 #114

No, sorry, an imminent threat likely does not justify deadly force Kennah Jan 2012 #180

How do you determine if they are a threat? hack89 Dec 2011 #113

Are you questioning the Courts now? ellisonz Dec 2011 #141

No - only if they break into my house. hack89 Dec 2011 #142

Shoot first, ask questions later. ellisonz Dec 2011 #144

What if the answer is a bullet in my direction? hack89 Dec 2011 #146

You'd have needed to have seen a gun... ellisonz Dec 2011 #147

I don't gamble with my family's lives hack89 Dec 2011 #151

+1 My response to a break-in would be with one of *these* friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #154

? Callisto32 Dec 2011 #138

What ? ellisonz Dec 2011 #140

How rare. A human. Gregorian Dec 2011 #21

My pleasure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #22

Royalties are paid by entities who seek to re-publish, esp. if... SteveW Dec 2011 #24

Which has nothing to do with use of their name... ellisonz Dec 2011 #35

You can question the practice, but anti-gun cartoonists are gettin' paid. SteveW Dec 2011 #96

Rare? There are many humans right here. I am one... SteveW Dec 2011 #23

Argh, never again. Gregorian Dec 2011 #25

Behind the "non-violence," what is in your heart? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #26

We generally require facts and rational argument here DissedByBush Dec 2011 #46

re: "...facts and rational argument..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #51

Just goes to show... ellisonz Dec 2011 #71

You chose to reply here. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #79

Didn't say I was quitting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #81

Well then... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #82

"You have not explained why this group is a "god forsaken forum" ellisonz Dec 2011 #36

Perhaps you are new, here. I post in other fora. What's your opinion... SteveW Dec 2011 #95

*facepalm* ellisonz Dec 2011 #116

Actually, I've been here since 2006... SteveW Dec 2011 #148

You can see how that's decieving... ellisonz Dec 2011 #149

Not deceiving; I'd rather have my old self back again... SteveW Dec 2011 #153

The reason that this forum is "forsaken" by so many pro-restrictionists is that they Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #115

Bahahah... ellisonz Dec 2011 #117

Don't have any more faith in them *on this issue* than the member Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #136

You do realize virtually nobody, liberal, progressive, liberatarian, or conservative... pipoman Dec 2011 #28

You forgot Buddhists... ellisonz Dec 2011 #37

Many pacifists, historically, are granted their ability to be.. pipoman Dec 2011 #39

Buddhists fight... ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

Never take martial arts to a gun fight.. pipoman Dec 2011 #87

You've obviously never heard of... ellisonz Dec 2011 #88

You've obviously never heard... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #100

Fuck your guns... ellisonz Dec 2011 #121

That is hazardous... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #123

What ever say homie... ellisonz Dec 2011 #129

Yes... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #132

nor you this... pipoman Dec 2011 #118

should have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #120

May I say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #110

Wrong group. rrneck Dec 2011 #45

"Que the barrage of morons..."? cognoscere Dec 2011 #69

So it would be better to lie down and die at the hands of those that would do violence? Callisto32 Dec 2011 #139

So you do not recognize a right to self defense? hack89 Dec 2011 #143

Shooting a rapist or a carjacker makes you a rapist and a carjacker? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #11

And if that were so, then shooting a banker would make one a banker. Kennah Dec 2011 #30

No it makes you a killer or maimer. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #33

What's wrong with the epithet "non-victim"? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #167

'nough said? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #168

Nothing wrong with it. Killers and non-victims are not mutually exclusive. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #169

Fair enough but at the expense of appearing argumentative Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #174

I doubt if there's a one-size-fits-all solution with such a hypothetical Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #175

"Carry pepper spray, cellphone, noise alarm." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #176

If you feel comfortable carrying one, feel free. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #177

"Give him what he wants and he'll go away." -- really? X_Digger Jan 2012 #178

"And I'll leave the castigation for that utterly sexist tripe to others better qualified." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #179

Shooting them is only the first step. inkool Dec 2011 #137

There can be only one! chrisa Jan 2012 #181

Violence: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #16

In case nobody told you, ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #63

I think you meant Tojo gejohnston Dec 2011 #78

I did ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #99

My tee-shirt: EX500rider Dec 2011 #6

I like it! :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #7

I think I saw that shirt at photos of TParty "rally" where a lot of the goofs were carrying guns. Hoyt Dec 2011 #13

sure you did rl6214 Dec 2011 #18

Then surely you could post it. nt Union Scribe Dec 2011 #44

If so, that makes the sentiment entirely their domain? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #47

I want that shirt. NT ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #64

They have the shirt at Cafe Press.. EX500rider Dec 2011 #72

To further address this topic... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #12

In your mind -- and that of other devotees of "gun culture" -- maybe. Hoyt Dec 2011 #14

Bravo! discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #15

So you are a "devotee" of the "gun culture" because YOU own guns rl6214 Dec 2011 #19

Too bad.... Remmah2 Dec 2011 #27

Let's keep Newt outta this Kennah Dec 2011 #31

+1 to both of you! ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #43

He's a whole hardware store. nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #50

It is only a tool designed to cause death or injury. A tool of violence. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #34

I'm going to hunt for survival with this handgun... ellisonz Dec 2011 #38

Silly boy Remmah2 Dec 2011 #49

hunted for survival with a handgun gejohnston Dec 2011 #57

My grandma taught me how to kill rabbits with a walking stick Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #59

Ummm... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #61

Good question. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #66

You call that survival gear? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #73

I definitely call it survival gear. I live in an environment where survival is a daily issue. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #76

Too much techno crap. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #80

Maybe not in your world Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #86

Depending upon your neighborhood, pirates may visit you. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #90

And so did I. Still makes them very useful. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #91

Be safe. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #124

Thank you sir. :toast: Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #125

A world that was more violent then the present gun infested one. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #145

"Gun infested" - Really? Is that how you see the world? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #150

No - that's how you see it. hack89 Dec 2011 #152

Clairvoyant, are you? You think space is an issue? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #157

I don't care about your irrational likes and dislikes hack89 Dec 2011 #158

Where and when did I say I wanted to restrict your rights? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #160

But yours is the irrational point of view. hack89 Dec 2011 #163

Irrational to you perhaps Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #164

I have never said I carry every where. hack89 Jan 2012 #165

Cool. Sounds like your not one of the extreme compusive toters. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #166

Just for the record: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #159

"I don't suck on any government or corporate tit for my survival..." PavePusher Dec 2011 #119

And who do you think employs the Coasties that will try to save your ass should you require it? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #155

What's your point? You think I have a problem with the Coast Guard? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #156

So then, you acknowledge pipoman Dec 2011 #89

Really. I used to party in Compton at an after hours club. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #92

You know what they say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #97

BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #101

I used to work in Inglewood Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #108

I work in... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #109

No, can't think of any. We don't eat out much. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #127

Really? pipoman Dec 2011 #102

Nope, I can't think of anything I own worth shooting someone for. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #103

Your boat perhaps? gejohnston Dec 2011 #104

If I ventured into pirate infested waters, I would include the boat. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #107

good choice for pirate gun gejohnston Dec 2011 #161

Right, but kayaks are easier to steal. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #162

But it is not yours to determine this. It is the Goblins that determine if you have something oneshooter Dec 2011 #130

I don't believe in goblins. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #134

at the time gejohnston Dec 2011 #84

I don't know about the rabbits, but Grandma could've beaten Wyatt Earp to the draw. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #85

Using the same logic pipoman Dec 2011 #41

Why would I fear anyone carrying a gun? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #54

Pardon me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #56

Not sure I understand your question Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #58

Well that explains a lot. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #60

You are more than welcome Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #67

Some abnormal thinking there. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #62

re: "A tool so low on a survival priority list as to not be worth carrying." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #42

A concealed firearm is like underwear Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #53

I never said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #55

If you don't want to be quoted, you'd better watch your analogies. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #70

I don't mind being quoted. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #74

YES, a firearm is like underwear. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #126

Except, of course, for the many documented instances that it works. PavePusher Dec 2011 #48

Where did I say it didn't work? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #52

Yeah, except for those times ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #65

That's what diapers are for. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #68

Never had a shootout or anything, ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #75

Just as I imagined. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #77

A completely unfounded assumption. Straw Man Dec 2011 #93

"He fled when he saw me coming." Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #94

You assume much ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #98

From what you originally said "He fled when he saw you coming" Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #105

Well ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #106

Look at this picture... spin Dec 2011 #128

Thanks. I am familiar with this position Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #131

And a Happy New Year back to you and yours. (n/t) spin Dec 2011 #135

"As you all may remember... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #133

"the indifference of good men"? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #170

It is such a good point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #171

Your reference is also to a movie version of a real event. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #172

Yes, quite so. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #173