Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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146. What if the answer is a bullet in my direction?

Reply to ellisonz (Reply #144)

Sat Dec 31, 2011, 02:59 PM

Dec 2011

I feel no obligation to give a criminal in my house the first shot.

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A firearm is only... [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 OP

There ar e dozens of portable PSD's the pistol is one of the smallest and most important. ileus Dec 2011 #1

I believe... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #2

Nonviolence. Gregorian Dec 2011 #3

A t-shirt for you: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #4

there is a difference between nonviolence and pacifism gejohnston Dec 2011 #5

What was that old USAF SAC saying? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #10

Working in nursing homes and group homes, ZombieHorde Dec 2011 #111

good point gejohnston Dec 2011 #112

maybe Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #122

However to be unwilling to defend yourself when you are attacked... spin Dec 2011 #8

+1 ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

There's a difference between nonviolence and protecting yourself rl6214 Dec 2011 #17

There's a difference between... ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

So are you saying the only just violence is the violence of an Army? Kennah Dec 2011 #29

Nope. Not at all... ellisonz Dec 2011 #32

You analogies are silly Kennah Dec 2011 #83

The standard for Courts is "immanent" I believe... ellisonz Dec 2011 #114

No, sorry, an imminent threat likely does not justify deadly force Kennah Jan 2012 #180

How do you determine if they are a threat? hack89 Dec 2011 #113

Are you questioning the Courts now? ellisonz Dec 2011 #141

No - only if they break into my house. hack89 Dec 2011 #142

Shoot first, ask questions later. ellisonz Dec 2011 #144

What if the answer is a bullet in my direction? hack89 Dec 2011 #146

You'd have needed to have seen a gun... ellisonz Dec 2011 #147

I don't gamble with my family's lives hack89 Dec 2011 #151

+1 My response to a break-in would be with one of *these* friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #154

? Callisto32 Dec 2011 #138

What ? ellisonz Dec 2011 #140

How rare. A human. Gregorian Dec 2011 #21

My pleasure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #22

Royalties are paid by entities who seek to re-publish, esp. if... SteveW Dec 2011 #24

Which has nothing to do with use of their name... ellisonz Dec 2011 #35

You can question the practice, but anti-gun cartoonists are gettin' paid. SteveW Dec 2011 #96

Rare? There are many humans right here. I am one... SteveW Dec 2011 #23

Argh, never again. Gregorian Dec 2011 #25

Behind the "non-violence," what is in your heart? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #26

We generally require facts and rational argument here DissedByBush Dec 2011 #46

re: "...facts and rational argument..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #51

Just goes to show... ellisonz Dec 2011 #71

You chose to reply here. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #79

Didn't say I was quitting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #81

Well then... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #82

"You have not explained why this group is a "god forsaken forum" ellisonz Dec 2011 #36

Perhaps you are new, here. I post in other fora. What's your opinion... SteveW Dec 2011 #95

*facepalm* ellisonz Dec 2011 #116

Actually, I've been here since 2006... SteveW Dec 2011 #148

You can see how that's decieving... ellisonz Dec 2011 #149

Not deceiving; I'd rather have my old self back again... SteveW Dec 2011 #153

The reason that this forum is "forsaken" by so many pro-restrictionists is that they Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #115

Bahahah... ellisonz Dec 2011 #117

Don't have any more faith in them *on this issue* than the member Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #136

You do realize virtually nobody, liberal, progressive, liberatarian, or conservative... pipoman Dec 2011 #28

You forgot Buddhists... ellisonz Dec 2011 #37

Many pacifists, historically, are granted their ability to be.. pipoman Dec 2011 #39

Buddhists fight... ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

Never take martial arts to a gun fight.. pipoman Dec 2011 #87

You've obviously never heard of... ellisonz Dec 2011 #88

You've obviously never heard... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #100

Fuck your guns... ellisonz Dec 2011 #121

That is hazardous... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #123

What ever say homie... ellisonz Dec 2011 #129

Yes... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #132

nor you this... pipoman Dec 2011 #118

should have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #120

May I say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #110

Wrong group. rrneck Dec 2011 #45

"Que the barrage of morons..."? cognoscere Dec 2011 #69

So it would be better to lie down and die at the hands of those that would do violence? Callisto32 Dec 2011 #139

So you do not recognize a right to self defense? hack89 Dec 2011 #143

Shooting a rapist or a carjacker makes you a rapist and a carjacker? Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #11

And if that were so, then shooting a banker would make one a banker. Kennah Dec 2011 #30

No it makes you a killer or maimer. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #33

What's wrong with the epithet "non-victim"? Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #167

'nough said? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #168

Nothing wrong with it. Killers and non-victims are not mutually exclusive. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #169

Fair enough but at the expense of appearing argumentative Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #174

I doubt if there's a one-size-fits-all solution with such a hypothetical Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #175

"Carry pepper spray, cellphone, noise alarm." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #176

If you feel comfortable carrying one, feel free. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #177

"Give him what he wants and he'll go away." -- really? X_Digger Jan 2012 #178

"And I'll leave the castigation for that utterly sexist tripe to others better qualified." Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #179

Shooting them is only the first step. inkool Dec 2011 #137

There can be only one! chrisa Jan 2012 #181

Violence: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #16

In case nobody told you, ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #63

I think you meant Tojo gejohnston Dec 2011 #78

I did ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #99

My tee-shirt: EX500rider Dec 2011 #6

I like it! :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #7

I think I saw that shirt at photos of TParty "rally" where a lot of the goofs were carrying guns. Hoyt Dec 2011 #13

sure you did rl6214 Dec 2011 #18

Then surely you could post it. nt Union Scribe Dec 2011 #44

If so, that makes the sentiment entirely their domain? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #47

I want that shirt. NT ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #64

They have the shirt at Cafe Press.. EX500rider Dec 2011 #72

To further address this topic... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #12

In your mind -- and that of other devotees of "gun culture" -- maybe. Hoyt Dec 2011 #14

Bravo! discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #15

So you are a "devotee" of the "gun culture" because YOU own guns rl6214 Dec 2011 #19

Too bad.... Remmah2 Dec 2011 #27

Let's keep Newt outta this Kennah Dec 2011 #31

+1 to both of you! ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #43

He's a whole hardware store. nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #50

It is only a tool designed to cause death or injury. A tool of violence. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #34

I'm going to hunt for survival with this handgun... ellisonz Dec 2011 #38

Silly boy Remmah2 Dec 2011 #49

hunted for survival with a handgun gejohnston Dec 2011 #57

My grandma taught me how to kill rabbits with a walking stick Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #59

Ummm... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #61

Good question. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #66

You call that survival gear? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #73

I definitely call it survival gear. I live in an environment where survival is a daily issue. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #76

Too much techno crap. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #80

Maybe not in your world Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #86

Depending upon your neighborhood, pirates may visit you. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #90

And so did I. Still makes them very useful. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #91

Be safe. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #124

Thank you sir. :toast: Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #125

A world that was more violent then the present gun infested one. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #145

"Gun infested" - Really? Is that how you see the world? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #150

No - that's how you see it. hack89 Dec 2011 #152

Clairvoyant, are you? You think space is an issue? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #157

I don't care about your irrational likes and dislikes hack89 Dec 2011 #158

Where and when did I say I wanted to restrict your rights? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #160

But yours is the irrational point of view. hack89 Dec 2011 #163

Irrational to you perhaps Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #164

I have never said I carry every where. hack89 Jan 2012 #165

Cool. Sounds like your not one of the extreme compusive toters. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #166

Just for the record: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #159

"I don't suck on any government or corporate tit for my survival..." PavePusher Dec 2011 #119

And who do you think employs the Coasties that will try to save your ass should you require it? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #155

What's your point? You think I have a problem with the Coast Guard? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #156

So then, you acknowledge pipoman Dec 2011 #89

Really. I used to party in Compton at an after hours club. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #92

You know what they say... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #97

BTW... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #101

I used to work in Inglewood Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #108

I work in... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #109

No, can't think of any. We don't eat out much. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #127

Really? pipoman Dec 2011 #102

Nope, I can't think of anything I own worth shooting someone for. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #103

Your boat perhaps? gejohnston Dec 2011 #104

If I ventured into pirate infested waters, I would include the boat. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #107

good choice for pirate gun gejohnston Dec 2011 #161

Right, but kayaks are easier to steal. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #162

But it is not yours to determine this. It is the Goblins that determine if you have something oneshooter Dec 2011 #130

I don't believe in goblins. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #134

at the time gejohnston Dec 2011 #84

I don't know about the rabbits, but Grandma could've beaten Wyatt Earp to the draw. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #85

Using the same logic pipoman Dec 2011 #41

Why would I fear anyone carrying a gun? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #54

Pardon me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #56

Not sure I understand your question Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #58

Well that explains a lot. discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #60

You are more than welcome Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #67

Some abnormal thinking there. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #62

re: "A tool so low on a survival priority list as to not be worth carrying." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #42

A concealed firearm is like underwear Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #53

I never said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #55

If you don't want to be quoted, you'd better watch your analogies. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #70

I don't mind being quoted. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #74

YES, a firearm is like underwear. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #126

Except, of course, for the many documented instances that it works. PavePusher Dec 2011 #48

Where did I say it didn't work? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #52

Yeah, except for those times ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #65

That's what diapers are for. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #68

Never had a shootout or anything, ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #75

Just as I imagined. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #77

A completely unfounded assumption. Straw Man Dec 2011 #93

"He fled when he saw me coming." Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #94

You assume much ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #98

From what you originally said "He fled when he saw you coming" Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #105

Well ObamaFTW2012 Dec 2011 #106

Look at this picture... spin Dec 2011 #128

Thanks. I am familiar with this position Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #131

And a Happy New Year back to you and yours. (n/t) spin Dec 2011 #135

"As you all may remember... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #133

"the indifference of good men"? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #170

It is such a good point... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #171

Your reference is also to a movie version of a real event. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #172

Yes, quite so. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #173