Gun Control & RKBA

HALO141

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134. "over the rights of people to be safe from lunatics with easy access to guns. "

Fri Jul 20, 2012, 01:39 PM

Jul 2012

What about my right to feel safe from people like you dictating policy?!? There is no such "right." Nothing - no law, no social construct, nothing - can guarantee safety or the perception of safety. Just because you desperately want something doesn't make it a "right."

Everyone wants to feel safe. People often disagree on what makes them feel safer.

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At least 10 dead and 30 to 40 wounded [View all] MichaelHarris Jul 2012 OP

Violent movies incite people to commit assault and murder SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #1

I can imagine that those dvd's could do some serious damage qanda Jul 2012 #2

lmao MrDiaz Jul 2012 #3

Video games Confusious Jul 2012 #104

How do you propose doing that? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #182

First we will need a form 4473A to be filled out. SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #195

This message was self-deleted by its author felix_numinous Jul 2012 #183

Sorry the 1st is more important than the 2nd. orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #252

Without the Second, the first is not worth the paper it is written on SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #262

Are police more important than the law? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #264

Ordering rights by importance is like adolescents deciding which primary color is prettier. SkatmanRoth Jul 2012 #265

I have ,Talking is more important and useful orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #266

What a quaint fantasy. n/t HALO141 Jul 2012 #267

I call it reality orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #268

And you win the award for taking advantage of a tragedy. krispos42 Jul 2012 #4

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Exactly. Hoyt Jul 2012 #41

LMAO at your schoolyard snark. Tejas Jul 2012 #50

Lame. krispos42 Jul 2012 #63

That's what criminal-apologists do. Tejas Jul 2012 #98

It's "inflammatory trolling", not "taking advantage", both appear to Tejas Jul 2012 #67

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*sigh* krispos42 Jul 2012 #168

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You know what? I agree with almost all you say there. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #210

...and your first thought Union Scribe Jul 2012 #5

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So why is it that the anti"s always rush to permatex Jul 2012 #11

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Assault rifles and automatic pistols permatex Jul 2012 #14

See, you're gonna have to do better than that. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #212

Why is it that the gun nuts always rush to carry out massacres? gejohnston Jul 2012 #213

I have no idea. Did someone say "gun nuts always rush to carry out massacres"? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #217

Yes, read post 12 gejohnston Jul 2012 #219

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Nope gejohnston Jul 2012 #226

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If he bought them that day, gejohnston Jul 2012 #224

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Oh I don't know gejohnston Jul 2012 #227

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none of them are lies gejohnston Jul 2012 #255

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No I don't have it yet permatex Jul 2012 #214

If the private possesion of every gun was banned.. MicaelS Jul 2012 #22

And don't forget anyone permatex Jul 2012 #23

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So instead of being a Keyboard commando permatex Jul 2012 #56

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Threat of the NRA? permatex Jul 2012 #61

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You have no idea why this lunatic permatex Jul 2012 #73

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Bullshit permatex Jul 2012 #80

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Gun ownership threatened? permatex Jul 2012 #90

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So why is violent crime down while the sales of guns are up? permatex Jul 2012 #94

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rural areas have higher suicide rates gejohnston Jul 2012 #123

Same lie you gun-relgionists trot out over and over bongbong Jul 2012 #198

you asked the question gejohnston Jul 2012 #102

That horse died years ago. You can quit beating it. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #100

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Your side lost. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #113

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You tap dance, waltz, cha-cha, and Tango. Clames Jul 2012 #127

By your posts you are obviously in favor of greater gun control. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #130

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It is still the LAW. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #143

If thats the best you got permatex Jul 2012 #148

Yes, your(individual) side won. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #194

"over the rights of people to be safe from lunatics with easy access to guns. " HALO141 Jul 2012 #134

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Because FBI stats show that you are safer. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #147

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So now all you have is anger and snark. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #253

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I'm sorry, I thought I'd made my position clear. HALO141 Jul 2012 #176

If he wanted to gejohnston Jul 2012 #58

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you missed the point gejohnston Jul 2012 #74

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the gangs are not buying their guns from the store gejohnston Jul 2012 #99

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and you know nothing about federal gun control laws gejohnston Jul 2012 #124

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First off, gejohnston Jul 2012 #184

Pssst! Your propaganda is showing. HALO141 Jul 2012 #180

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You're confused nt HALO141 Jul 2012 #234

It is democracy permatex Jul 2012 #77

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What tyranny would you be talking about? permatex Jul 2012 #152

Of course not. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #158

Actually. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #220

Lots of ways he could have killed more people. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #97

Correction about the NRA GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #107

Your talking points are betrayed by your own words. beevul Jul 2012 #141

A bomb or bombs? TPaine7 Jul 2012 #149

Can't wait to see your movie, will you be Tejas Jul 2012 #62

where did you get that from MrDiaz Jul 2012 #121

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that is not what the ATF says gejohnston Jul 2012 #185

Prove it bongbong Jul 2012 #201

1,819 originating from New York; 443 from Virginia. gejohnston Jul 2012 #218

More data bongbong Jul 2012 #242

One thing gejohnston Jul 2012 #245

Have a nice life bongbong Jul 2012 #246

you too gejohnston Jul 2012 #247

Psych bongbong Jul 2012 #258

"Then explain to me how this fucking nut in Colorado could have killed all those people..." HALO141 Jul 2012 #128

Did you forget the part where he booby trapped his apartment? beevul Jul 2012 #139

May be just as well he had guns... EX500rider Jul 2012 #186

Psychological defect? Tejas Jul 2012 #68

The talibanners can't wait for tragedies like this. Much easier to push their shadowrider Jul 2012 #188

You really need to quit using the word "anti". It means nothing Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #211

You really need to stop telling me what I should and shouldn't say permatex Jul 2012 #216

I'll stop using the word "anti" as soon as they quit calling me a gun nut, deal? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #249

Gun nut means something. Look at your tag line. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #256

Look at my tagline. Hmmm, seems to me a recent gun free zone was a target rich shadowrider Jul 2012 #257

...and his cheerleaders are close behind. Tejas Jul 2012 #65

prayers for the wounded and victim's families. ileus Jul 2012 #6

As long as the event is being used to further agendas... mvccd1000 Jul 2012 #9

I'm waiting for the Brady Campaign to announce it's next fund raiser. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #27

They'll have an e-blast fund raiser by the end of the day DonP Jul 2012 #43

Movie theaters aren't neccessarily gun free. I carry my concealed handgun to movies regularly. rl6214 Jul 2012 #170

I always have my LCP with me at the movies. ileus Jul 2012 #179

Does my sig line ring a bell? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #190

Prayers to the victims and families. permatex Jul 2012 #10

Even better than prayers would be gun laws that prevent this sort of thing... DanTex Jul 2012 #13

Start out right away with the insults permatex Jul 2012 #15

"Good bye": there's an "e" on the end. DanTex Jul 2012 #18

So now your the grammer police? permatex Jul 2012 #19

"You're": there's an "e" on the end. DanTex Jul 2012 #25

Thanks 4 the grmmr lsson permatex Jul 2012 #29

You're such a rebel! DanTex Jul 2012 #30

Rebel, no permatex Jul 2012 #32

We would expect nothing less. nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #28

Why do guns keep killing people? ileus Jul 2012 #16

Thank you. Perfectly said. n/t Ineeda Jul 2012 #17

Those "lax" gun laws coincide with historically low levels of gun violence hack89 Jul 2012 #20

Very true permatex Jul 2012 #21

Far more gun violence than any other wealthy nation. DanTex Jul 2012 #26

But gun violence is declining while gun ownership is rising permatex Jul 2012 #31

Actually, gun ownership has declined significantly since the early 90s. DanTex Jul 2012 #33

Let me put it this way permatex Jul 2012 #34

Actually, declining crime has been going on for a while Confusious Jul 2012 #112

what new gun laws? gejohnston Jul 2012 #117

Baseball bats need to be swung ,why don't you orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #228

and your point? gejohnston Jul 2012 #230

I'll take the death tom tom and you take the bat orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #232

you are proof what Eisenstein said about common sense gejohnston Jul 2012 #233

gunning liars bongbong Jul 2012 #205

If gun ownership has actually declined please explain why ... spin Jul 2012 #55

But they continue to decline hack89 Jul 2012 #35

Gun laws are (part of) the problem. DanTex Jul 2012 #36

We could reduce it by 50% if you outlaw suicide permatex Jul 2012 #38

Our gun violence rates are skewed by criminal gang violence hack89 Jul 2012 #39

There you go talking all sensible and stuff... jeepnstein Jul 2012 #46

What do you consider "sensible"? Dr_Scholl Jul 2012 #181

Shootings might be even less if we crack down on guns. This guy wouldn't have shot up this theatre Hoyt Jul 2012 #42

Lets crack down on alcohol first hack89 Jul 2012 #44

Yeah, your right Hoyt permatex Jul 2012 #47

Enjoy your new gun on this day. Hoyt Jul 2012 #52

I plan to permatex Jul 2012 #54

Tough guy and his gun bongbong Jul 2012 #204

They think they are "tough" when they are armed "better" than 95% of society. Hoyt Jul 2012 #215

You got that bongbong Jul 2012 #237

"Rambo fantasies" - May I use that, it's perfect. Hoyt Jul 2012 #241

Naturally bongbong Jul 2012 #243

So what are you picking up? ileus Jul 2012 #60

Going into LV today to p/u the Valmet Model 76 permatex Jul 2012 #66

Yeah you posted about that a few weeks ago ileus Jul 2012 #79

Can't do that permatex Jul 2012 #84

Holy crap. Does it fire heat seeking bullets and have a shoulder thing that goes up? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #191

Back from LV permatex Jul 2012 #199

Ban porn = no rapes. Tejas Jul 2012 #105

Gasoline and a match killed 87 people in a nightclub. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #115

So other violoence is OK with you? GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #111

Prove it bongbong Jul 2012 #206

www.google.com Clames Jul 2012 #209

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #235

check out the links in the OP. gejohnston Jul 2012 #238

still LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #239

per capita gejohnston Jul 2012 #240

You're right bongbong Jul 2012 #244

How long did it take you to look it up gejohnston Jul 2012 #248

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #259

I don't carry gejohnston Jul 2012 #260

OK bongbong Jul 2012 #261

Bless his heart n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #263

Deputy Sheriff shot his wife dead on the courthouse steps, Tejas Jul 2012 #59

Laws don't prevent actions. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #71

There are already numerous laws against this. PavePusher Jul 2012 #83

This could also be the act of a radical anti gun organization. Even UN sponsored. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #24

???? bongbong Jul 2012 #86

Stop whining. Members constantly post "repig/teabagger" Tejas Jul 2012 #110

Teachings bongbong Jul 2012 #126

My bad, apparently you don't know who Brady/VPC are. Tejas Jul 2012 #129

Answers bongbong Jul 2012 #135

No idea why you buy into the NRA bogeyman. Tejas Jul 2012 #136

Ha ha bongbong Jul 2012 #150

So, the NRA prevented Obama from becoming President? Tejas Jul 2012 #154

So, your Strawman failed bongbong Jul 2012 #171

You deny that you fear some whimsical army? Tejas Jul 2012 #173

Goalpost moving bongbong Jul 2012 #175

Just trying to put your fear of the NRA into perspective. Tejas Jul 2012 #177

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #178

Reality bongbong Jul 2012 #197

We were told the NRA is powerless shadowrider Jul 2012 #193

Who told you that? bongbong Jul 2012 #196

Use the search feature. It's your friend n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #200

OK bongbong Jul 2012 #202

I can tell you who donates to Brady. The list is in this post. shadowrider Jul 2012 #192

Yes bongbong Jul 2012 #203

Most likely a mental health issue. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #37

I'll wager that your right permatex Jul 2012 #40

Of course they probably knew he was armed. They've probably been introducing him to gun culture Hoyt Jul 2012 #45

And he may be a martian permatex Jul 2012 #48

Do YOU have guns so you can be a "man"? Tejas Jul 2012 #51

My son harvested his first deer at 6. ileus Jul 2012 #64

Hunt bear? That's nice. Hoyt Jul 2012 #69

That's what I thought.... ileus Jul 2012 #76

Here this can hold you until you get time to shoot one. Hoyt Jul 2012 #101

Uh....I think someone's beat us to that one. ileus Jul 2012 #114

Is that the Seattle Two-Step you're doing? Tejas Jul 2012 #49

What kind of scanner did he have? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #75

Waiting for the NRA to take advantage of this tragedy bongbong Jul 2012 #81

So far the only ones taking advantage here are you anti's and restrictionists. permatex Jul 2012 #87

That was FAST bongbong Jul 2012 #89

Check the time stamp on the OP. Tejas Jul 2012 #91

Doesn't make you anything except an extremist permatex Jul 2012 #92

Sensical bongbong Jul 2012 #95

Begging is an unbecoming quality, it rivals trolling. Tejas Jul 2012 #96

Clues bongbong Jul 2012 #103

Our country is safe enough... krispos42 Jul 2012 #174

At least they wait. Clames Jul 2012 #157

Funny stuff bongbong Jul 2012 #172

Nothing copied from you. Clames Jul 2012 #208

My posts bongbong Jul 2012 #236

Where were the police? Tejas Jul 2012 #106

"At least the perp didn't get shot in the back." Tejas Jul 2012 #116

The blood isn't even dry and already people are making political hay out of this 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #122

They've probably already asked Phelps to protest the funerals. Tejas Jul 2012 #131

I fucking hate guns. crim son Jul 2012 #132

You sound confused. Tejas Jul 2012 #133

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Excellent post bongbong Jul 2012 #207

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He was also apparently a PHD canidate for a doctorate in Neuroscience, Ashgrey77 Jul 2012 #145

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Fantasies of "pre-crime" do not a point make. Tejas Jul 2012 #151

You can't arrest someone until they have committed a crime. Ashgrey77 Jul 2012 #153

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So now all you have to do is get that pesky 2A repealed permatex Jul 2012 #155

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Struck a nerve, didn't I? permatex Jul 2012 #162

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Did you know that prior to their first conviction 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #164

By that logic 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #163

Less than .0000001% mass murder Ter Jul 2012 #156

Sympathy to the families and friends era veteran Jul 2012 #161

you,d lose that one rl6214 Jul 2012 #166

Jimmy Olsen, I want to be the first to congratulate you. Tejas Jul 2012 #187

Time to go to a jury... sarisataka Jul 2012 #189

12 dead, total 60 dead or injured. elleng Jul 2012 #231