Gun Control & RKBA

NewMoonTherian

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78. The current airport security procedures aren't acceptable either.

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:47 AM

Jul 2012

I have a chilling suspicion that you're right about the government pursuing these things without out knowledge, and it's absolutely outrageous. I want transparency from my government, and instead they behave like the old Soviet Union.

We aren't working against the clock, so much as we are working against a sensationalist media and ghoulish gun control lobby. They are capitalizing on these acts for their own purposes. If public safety were really their number one concern, they would be addressing the dozens of more frequent causes of death in the United States. Why are deaths by mass shooting different from deaths by any other cause? Why should it take such a few deaths to cause a public outcry against guns, while it takes far more to cause a public outcry against other dangerous activity?

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Is it time for a red flag number when it comes to ammunition? [View all] Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 OP

you mean semi automatic gejohnston Jul 2012 #1

Chilling effects. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #72

Not sure how that could be done objectively or practically ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #2

Maybe we need a better dispatch center to keep track of the bulk sales? Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #3

Bulk sales IMO would start at 5000 or 10,000 rounds of the same kind ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #14

I wish Storage Wars would air the number of times they opened one of those Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #18

"I know they have to turn in everything to the police if they find them" rl6214 Jul 2012 #36

That is a state by state thing ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #44

Do tell. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #48

Not too much to tell ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #67

No kidding. HALO141 Jul 2012 #113

"People watching infrastructure" would be better rrneck Jul 2012 #4

Is there a difference between someone on "Hoarders" and someone who stockpiles ammo? LonePirate Jul 2012 #5

Such a major non sequitur I don't even know where to begin. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #8

I'll take that as a no then. LonePirate Jul 2012 #11

Either that or they got a very good deal ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #15

You might have a percentage of gun owners that fall in the range of hoarders Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #16

That depends on your definition of "stockpiling". NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #9

On the contrary, we're not out to get you. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #12

Good luck with that around here. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #24

Oh come on now. I want to find civilized solutions... NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #31

Let the group know when you actually come up with a solution. Clames Jul 2012 #33

Taking into account the law of unintended consequences n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #35

Easy Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #42

Laughable. Clames Jul 2012 #49

Make sure you keep that post. Next time someone says "Nobody wants to ban guns" shadowrider Jul 2012 #50

That's what Print Screen is for ;) n/t Clames Jul 2012 #59

Saw a post in GD about banning all semi-automatics Kaleva Jul 2012 #66

Only one? Those comments are flowing like the River Nile. n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #71

I don't want to ban guns. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #83

That would take away the tools of legitimate self-defense... NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #70

So what kinds of weapons and equipment are we talking about? Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #103

need more thinking people gejohnston Jul 2012 #43

There are many thinking people here, including yourself. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #106

I read some of the ones in GD gejohnston Jul 2012 #107

exhibit number one gejohnston Jul 2012 #108

If I have to choose between fighting a big fight or years of incrementalism, I'll take the big fight Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #102

I can promise you that ammuntion and magazine sales are going to go up Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #51

More the reason we apply this red flag rule now and get over the hump Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #73

What does this accomplish? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #92

I don't think that public safety and personal freedom are conflicting interests. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #68

I do forsee the day when these things will be handled without our knowledge. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #74

what do you mean "our own"? gejohnston Jul 2012 #75

He is a byproduct of your loose rules. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #76

gun store owners do gejohnston Jul 2012 #77

Except, it looks like we have an accomplice in the mix. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #79

most likely he did have an accomplice gejohnston Jul 2012 #82

This is not the fault of gun owners not accessibility of firearms. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #99

The current airport security procedures aren't acceptable either. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #78

I think the fatality numbers are the issue. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #80

No good legislative change has been proposed. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #84

When 9/11 occurred, Republicans were the first to support the Patriot Act, which flagellated Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #87

Concede to what? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #88

Red flagging large ammo purchases. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #89

How would you describe a "large ammo purchace"? oneshooter Jul 2012 #90

My concern... NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #96

Flagging large ammo purchases won't accomplish much. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #105

Semi-automatics can now shoot 70 people Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #94

The shooters 100 round drum also jammed n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #95

But the numbers are in decline. Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #104

I go almost everywhere without fear of being shot. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #98

Except... Atypical Liberal Jul 2012 #101

I buy... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2012 #20

Hoarders often store trash 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #86

I don't approve of legislation that further reduces gun/ammo buyers' privacy. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #6

I'm willing to field ideas. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #7

I think there are better ideas already out there. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #10

Those are very valid points. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #13

I disagree. His bulk ammo purchase was a symptom and not the problem. shadowrider Jul 2012 #22

The problem is that 70 people were shot in a theater. Not guns, not mental health, not his mother. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #39

This theater WAS AND IS a gun free zone. The shooter must not have seen the sign. shadowrider Jul 2012 #40

Gun free zones are not gun free if there is no enforcement. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #41

So what is your plan for enforcing no gun zones? n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #47

How are they currently enforced? The real ones? Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #111

chances when caught, gejohnston Jul 2012 #112

This post makes me feel like banging my head against a wall. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #69

Take your time. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #114

What kind of enforcement? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #115

Enter an established gun free zone (urban area eg.) with a gun, go to jail for a long time. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #116

I'm not talking about hunting down gangbangers in the streets. NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #117

How about preventing crimes like this or at least a faster response. Starboard Tack Jul 2012 #118

And he finally gets it. Clames Jul 2012 #109

All public gathering places declared gun-free zones (no exceptions). Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #53

The problem is that such laws require some subjective definition of what is considered a bulk buy. Clames Jul 2012 #34

The amount of ammo he purchased has not bearing on what happened rl6214 Jul 2012 #38

Thanks alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #100

I don't think this would work jleavesl Jul 2012 #17

You mean, he might have resorted to making bombs, rather than to go out on a shooting rampage. Baitball Blogger Jul 2012 #19

Then those should have gotten him caught jleavesl Jul 2012 #21

We're not sure at this point what kind of explosives they are. C4 would have gotten shadowrider Jul 2012 #25

Fertilizer in bulk. Nothing would stop him from legally buying enough in small quantities shadowrider Jul 2012 #23

Your powder purchases could be restricted. The points could be restricted. upaloopa Jul 2012 #28

Just curious CokeMachine Jul 2012 #55

I buy buy black powder in bulk, generally 25lbs at a time. oneshooter Jul 2012 #57

Why don't we restrict the number of rounds you can buy in a certain time frame? upaloopa Jul 2012 #26

Did you forget about target practice? Travis_0004 Jul 2012 #29

If you go to the gun range, the range can provide the rounds. upaloopa Jul 2012 #30

Ok, so the range provides the rounds. How long before the government wants shadowrider Jul 2012 #37

Throwing the BS card on you here ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #45

M-14, M-16, M-60 Machine gun, m-79 gernade launcher,1911 Colt 45 automatic, M-50 machine gun upaloopa Jul 2012 #63

Qualified Expert on some of those, have the bars to prove it ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #91

YOU'RE a fool. If you're going to say it, at least spell correctly, ok? shadowrider Jul 2012 #93

Just pointing out obvious mistakes that make your post questionable ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #97

Do you realize how many types of ammo exist? Travis_0004 Jul 2012 #52

Assuming that you were shooting at a target similar to this .... spin Jul 2012 #58

Try a 20" bullseye at 600yds,20 shots, with no scope. Then get back to bragging. oneshooter Jul 2012 #62

How is that reasonable? Clames Jul 2012 #60

No. bluedigger Jul 2012 #27

Smokeless powder rounds do not explode ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #46

Muzzle loading black powder Kentucky long rifles, used only for hunting, of course, are the only bluedigger Jul 2012 #54

" all the old unsafe stuff has been recalled." oneshooter Jul 2012 #56

8mm Lebel ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #65

Had a real nice Cavalry carbine. sold it to a collector for a lot more than I paid for it. oneshooter Jul 2012 #81

I'd rather tax money support mental illness programs and initiatives to thwart mass killings. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #32

There is very little regulation in buying the materials needed for a fertilizer bomb Kaleva Jul 2012 #61

He purchased a semi-automatic 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #85

Practically speaking, someone can't carry/use more than a few hundred at a time... benEzra Jul 2012 #110