Gun Control & RKBA

Cary

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30. Where did I say it wasn't an individual right?

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 02:15 PM

Jul 2012

I said I ascribe meaning to the words "In a well-regulated militia." That's all. That's my opinion. I never represented it as being anything else. You are suggesting here that I have.

I'll go further to say that the Second Amendment, if you study your history, has nothing to do with "an individual right." The Second Amendment was about the debate between the founders over whether or not to have a standing army which Jefferson believed to be dangerous to a democracy.

As for the Supreme Court, as I have said this particular iteration, and the one preceding it, has been unusually activist. If Democrats have a chance to put in their justices a lot of things will be undone or it is also possible to have a Constitutional amendment or two.

I am not commenting on the likelihood of either. Grasp the simple concept that I am stating my opinion--not pretending to be Nostradamus.

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Incrementalism. [View all] Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 OP

Things like RPGs and ICBMs are still illegal. Cary Jul 2012 #1

RPGs can be had. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #3

A quick Google shows Cary Jul 2012 #5

You don't have to notify anyone to fire an RPG. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #6

You are assuming I buy the NRA interpretation of the Second Amendment. Cary Jul 2012 #8

There's the problem, right there. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #9

Nice ad hominem Cary Jul 2012 #11

While your opinion may be relevant Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #32

"It isn't correct." Cary Jul 2012 #36

didnt the term "well-regulated Missycim Jul 2012 #40

Yes, it did. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #57

Then you ought to have some links. Cary Jul 2012 #59

perhaps this will help: Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #63

If the militia is yieilding Cary Jul 2012 #76

over half of those are suicides gejohnston Jul 2012 #79

if the militia is not in proper working order it is not the gun's fault. I would suggest to you: Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #82

Overused slogans are no substitute for real analysis and real debate Cary Jul 2012 #115

that you do can not comprehend is not my problem. Have A Nice Day! Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #129

Ok this is a dumb questions but Missycim Jul 2012 #121

I THINK they are assuming modern usage Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #126

Because the phrase is not used in today's English. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #132

No pain at all. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #38

"The right side?" Cary Jul 2012 #39

less than honest. gejohnston Jul 2012 #47

Alabama alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #71

I agree gejohnston Jul 2012 #73

Nope bongbong Jul 2012 #127

That horse is dead. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #12

You too? Cary Jul 2012 #13

He didn't state an opinion permatex Jul 2012 #16

I never said that the Supreme Court hasn't ruled Cary Jul 2012 #18

Very rarely will the SCOTUS revisit settled law permatex Jul 2012 #20

Hang my hat? Cary Jul 2012 #22

You are aware that all 9 justices agreed that the permatex Jul 2012 #24

Where did I say it wasn't an individual right? Cary Jul 2012 #30

a vote either way would have been gejohnston Jul 2012 #29

SCOTUS also decided that corporations are people Doctor_J Jul 2012 #41

Deal with reality. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #28

I have stated no facts. Cary Jul 2012 #35

At one time, Plessy v. Ferguson and Dred Scot v. Sanford were also protected by stare decisis.... lastlib Jul 2012 #65

but reasonalbe restrictions is allowed gejohnston Jul 2012 #72

Pretty sure ICBM's can be had, too. HALO141 Jul 2012 #7

I use to own an IBM Remmah2 Jul 2012 #123

You bastard. HALO141 Jul 2012 #128

I had a Smith Corona gejohnston Jul 2012 #130

I've typed on carbon paper! Remmah2 Jul 2012 #134

Rocket launchers are legal, rockets are controlled. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #10

Good grief. Cary Jul 2012 #14

Prospect of gun control? gejohnston Jul 2012 #15

Obviously you didn't hear the interview Cary Jul 2012 #17

Ummmmmmmm permatex Jul 2012 #26

More pain in the future? permatex Jul 2012 #19

Explain to me why these people are jumping down my throat for not toeing the NRA line. n/t Cary Jul 2012 #21

We don't toe the NRA line here permatex Jul 2012 #23

Not only are you guilty of ad hominem, Cary Jul 2012 #25

Typical permatex Jul 2012 #27

Look at you Cary Jul 2012 #33

Difference is I'm not getting snarky with you permatex Jul 2012 #44

Defending my right to have an opinion that differs from yours is not snark Cary Jul 2012 #46

Dont forget.. Missycim Jul 2012 #42

The prospects for future gun control are quite bleak. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #31

So why are you all getting so upset about any discussion about it? Cary Jul 2012 #34

Your intent and actions do not match in this thread. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #52

I give you people credit Cary Jul 2012 #58

Firearms and their laws are a technical discussion. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #61

I have a J.D., Cary Jul 2012 #64

Be that as it may, ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #66

Your error is in your irrational assertion that I have made either Cary Jul 2012 #68

Your posts #1 and #5 for starters on "facts". ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #84

My statements were sufficient correct for the purpose for which I offer them. Cary Jul 2012 #88

Not upset. I enjoy exposing the fallicy of gun-controllers. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #85

No one is contesting that the NRA owns the government Doctor_J Jul 2012 #43

Not a logical fallicy at all, but simply an explanation. GreenStormCloud Jul 2012 #45

are ICBMs illegal? gejohnston Jul 2012 #89

There's only one goal...all the others are just fluff. ileus Jul 2012 #2

how's that total ban on illegal drugs working? alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #75

K&R n/t guardian Jul 2012 #4

My biggest issue with you and people who take issue with "the gun control crowd" Cary Jul 2012 #37

Emotional arguement Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #48

All I know is that I expressed my opinion Cary Jul 2012 #49

the words "A well-regulated militia" have meaning. Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #51

So you're saying that because you declare that it "has been established" Cary Jul 2012 #54

We are happy to let you have your opinion. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #56

"We"??? Cary Jul 2012 #60

You don't, but thanks for asking. ManiacJoe Jul 2012 #62

I increase my knowledge all the time Cary Jul 2012 #67

so long as the gun control lobby alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #78

You all keep changing the subject Cary Jul 2012 #55

yes we do need an honest dialogue gejohnston Jul 2012 #70

I am very much of the left Cary Jul 2012 #74

didn't say you did gejohnston Jul 2012 #77

"Conservatives", Alex Jones, Republicans and the NRA have no credibility Cary Jul 2012 #87

extraordinary arsenals alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #90

"I love that you are..." Cary Jul 2012 #91

says the pot to the kettle. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #93

There are people here who can hold a real discussion on this issue. Cary Jul 2012 #96

when you have time to research the issues and know what you are talking about like a grownup... alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #98

Don't count on it newbie. Cary Jul 2012 #102

I didn't say Jones or the NRA had any at all gejohnston Jul 2012 #95

Your understand of how law enforcement works is not accurate. Cary Jul 2012 #97

but they didn't, why didn't they go to US attorney? gejohnston Jul 2012 #99

I have several friends who are Assistant U.S. Attorneys. Cary Jul 2012 #101

let me repeat what I describe the lie by ommission gejohnston Jul 2012 #104

But there are a lot of articles out there that make the same argument that Thom makes Cary Jul 2012 #105

doesn't make them true. gejohnston Jul 2012 #107

At this point, with all of the "conservative" fake scandals, it's a little like crying wolf Cary Jul 2012 #109

Might be White water part two, gejohnston Jul 2012 #111

Might be Whitewater part two or maybe not gejohnston Jul 2012 #131

And while you're at it you ought to read this: Cary Jul 2012 #103

I read it gejohnston Jul 2012 #106

I never said anything about you having to be xx Cary Jul 2012 #108

you missed my point gejohnston Jul 2012 #110

Okay, I believe you and apologize for equating you with the Ayn Rand cult of Ron Paul Cary Jul 2012 #122

accepted gejohnston Jul 2012 #124

the fact that we all agree does not mean that we "coordinate" anything. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #80

It's not your agreement that tipped me off Cary Jul 2012 #86

well, since I don't know any of the people on this board... alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #92

what "tactics and strategies" are people using? alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #94

"We clearly have a big problem It may/may not be that we have a problem because of assault rifles" EX500rider Jul 2012 #100

Exactly correct 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #50

problem janlyn Jul 2012 #53

exactly...anti 2Aers are trying to solve the wrong problem. welcome to DU Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #69

Switzerland is not a good example. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #81

for one thing gejohnston Jul 2012 #83

Well yeah. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #112

As if someone like Holmes, Loughner, or Cho care about what the govt does to them afterwards Angleae Jul 2012 #113

Holmes couldn't have done what he did with my kind of rifle. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #114

How is the gun they give you different than a gun you buy? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #116

Firstly, it isn't mine, it's the government's. Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #117

If you were planning on shooting up a movie theater 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #118

Maybe that's why I didn't claim it would have hindered anything? Democracyinkind Jul 2012 #119

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Switzerland you can own non-automatic civilian AR-15's and such benEzra Jul 2012 #120

Their real ultimate goal? armueller2001 Jul 2012 #125

correct. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #133