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In reply to the discussion: The Truth about Fast & Furious [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)93. Project much?
I know how to go to the supporting documents to see if the citation supports the claim. I also know giving some freelance writer access to personnel records or records that are classified or For Official Use Only is a crime. She makes a lot claims with subjective language, but I'm not seeing anything to back it up. Simply saying "I investigated" doesn't cut it. She accused Dodson and other whistle blowers of committing felonies, I hope she can back it up. If Dodson is anything like me, her lawyer would be meeting my lawyer. Voth would be meeting my lawyer for violating the Privacy Act by giving her access to personnel records, or any personal information, without his permission.
Do you really think that this is a non-partisan document, and that the names of Issa and Grassley just happen to be on it because they are the committee chairs? LOL.
No, but I do read the cited sources. That is the difference. That is what scientific minded people do. I spent enough years writing similar reports, with footnotes for source documents.
None of your "facts" are actual facts. This is just standard partisan politics: a detailed investigative report comes out with evidence that refutes some of the misinformation that the GOP has been peddling about F&F, and so they issue a propaganda document purporting to discredit the report.
No, go to the primary source documents that are attached. That is the evidence.
I'm supposed to ignore that for claimed evidence, not presented but claimed, based on information from a whistle blower target? If this evidence is real, let's see the primary sources. Oh yeah, they were "confidential", as in she had no legal right to see them. When is Eban going to include copies of these documents she had access to? Oh wait, that would cause a world of shit like someone going to jail or getting the shit sued out of them. Or are they simply claims made on Voth's lawyer's stationary? Is Dodson's personnel folder part of those records? For her and Voth's sake, better not be. Like I said, that is violating the Privacy Act.
You don't know subjective language from what primary source documents? Can't help you other than suggest you take a high school comp class. Maybe taking a critical thinking class would help too.
So once again, you use call names, use logical fallacies and can't point to anything to support her or your claims.
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So, suddenly Fortune magazine, Corporatist rag, is a reliable news source? Funny how that works.
DonP
Jun 2012
#2
LOL. The gunnies don't like it when actual reporters look into their conspiracy theories!
DanTex
Jun 2012
#4
Argument from authority is now acceptable if you agree with the authority?
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#81
Your understanding of journalism is on a par with your understanding of public safety.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#35
Your understanding of public safety is on par with my cat's understanding of particle physics.
Clames
Jul 2012
#46
How about giving us a shout when FR says anything positive about Obama, ATF, SS, Medicaid, etc.
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#15
It's not "conditional ethics." It's "When even the wingdings can't buy the rightwing bullshit, the
MADem
Jun 2012
#33
It's pretty obvious to most. And it's being handled perfectly -- Obama is throwing it in face of
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#17
Don't have to mention it every time because I have you conditioned to think about the no-good NRA.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#68
The OP seems to have found your questions inconvenient, as they have gone missing.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#49
If you look up a few posts, you will see that Oneka highlighted this part of the passage in bold
DanTex
Jul 2012
#58
I think, rationally speaking, we have a very good idea why Holder said what he said. IT WAS TRUE.
TPaine7
Jul 2012
#69
I find it interesting that CBS news has also done a series of reports on Fast and Furious ...
spin
Jul 2012
#56
I don't feel that many gun owners would say that allowing firearms to end up in the hands ...
spin
Jul 2012
#64
*That* will be ignored, as it doesn't fit the meme being pushed in the OP.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#77
But... but... but... Rhodes Scholar... climate change denial... gun bloggers... right wing
TPaine7
Jul 2012
#78
An opposing view from someone in the House oversight comittee ,long read, but informative.
Oneka
Aug 2012
#83
Your interlocutor relies on the argument from authority, and its flipside the genetic fallacy.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#89
All the better reason for you to detail the factual errors in the linked *.pdf
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#92
Well, then- get busy fisking the document linked in post #83. Point out the errors.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#95
This is hilarious, coming from the guy who didn't think that Darrell Issa authored of the...
DanTex
Aug 2012
#111
You should ask Cummings that question. And ask the US attorneys about the documents and the trials.
DanTex
Aug 2012
#123
You don't address the substance of what's said, but complain about the source? Genetic fallacy...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#101
Theme and variation on "Eban good, Issa bad, those that question it are fools. Take my word on it".
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#106
LOL. You're failing! You won't make the 8th grade team if you can't do better than that!
DanTex
Aug 2012
#107
Not my job. You claim "Issa's" work is bogus, so demonstrate the bogosity.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#110
Not so; I said the defense of her work by citations of her credentials is...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#115
Without a dump of those "2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents", Eban is cherry-picking.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#129