911 Puts Woman On Hold While She Watches Her Husband Being Shot

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59. Logic fail

"In the first case, 2 people died. How did a gunnut stop the killing if 2 people died?"
In the first case the shooter was stopped before he could continue to Pearl Junior High School and resume his killing spree. It is obvious that the armed citizen prevented more killing.

"In the second case, 3 people died. How did a gunnut stop the killing if 3 people died?
In the second case the shooter was subdued by an unarmed civilian who happened to be a marine. Tracy Bridges and Michael Gross, while students at the college, were also police officers. Objectively, I don't see this example supporting either side of the case for armed citizens.

"IN the third case, the guy was seriously wounded before being stopped. Doesn't sound like Rambo is all the Rambo he thinks he is.
"After the suspect shot the store owner and opened fire on patrons, the owner's friend shot the suspect once in the torso, took his gun and called police..." The armed citizen reacted, bringing the suspect down and preventing further injury or loss of life to other store patrons.

In the fourth case, 2 people died. How did a gunnut stop the killing if 2 people died?
In the fourth case the shooter was stopped by a security guard. While that's not quite the same thing as the average civilian, it's still a long way from being a LEO. At any rate, the shooter was armed with multiple weapons and hundreds of rounds. It is reasonable to conclude that he was not yet done shooting people before being put down himself.

In the fifth case, 3 people died. How did a gunnut stop the killing if 3 people died?
"According to witnesses, Villagomez at some point stopped to reload his high-capacity handgun and began shooting again when he was shot and killed by another patron - a 48-year-old Reno man who had a valid concealed weapons permit." Again, the actions of the VCA were cut short, and further injury/loss of life prevented, by an armed citizen.

Since none of us are gifted with clairvoyance to know who is about to start gratuitously killing others you seem to be suggesting a standard that no individual or authority can possibly meet. If any of the above VCA's had been shot by anyone else BEFORE starting their various rampages then that would have been murder. The Future Crimes Division is not yet a reality.

Here's another link for you to click on. Try actually reading this one.
http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

The pro-control people are fond of using quaint, heart string-tugging phrases like, "if it saves just one life..." Evidence of the above examples indicates that multiple lives were saved. You, on the other hand, would have us believe that the world is somehow a worse place that 9 or 10 people were murdered instead of 20 or 30 or more. You are wrong.