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OneTenthofOnePercent

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3. Extremely misleading statistic (re: 70% of mexican guns come from US)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:29 AM
Aug 2012

Please re-read the talking point: "According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), more than 70 percent of the weapons seized in Mexico in the last three years and submitted for tracing came from the United States."

Keep in mind that ALL guns manufactured or imported in the US for civilian or government sale are marked with a manufacturing or import point of origin, caliber, unique serial number, and (if necessary) "Govt Use Only" restrictions. EVERY SINGLE ONE for nearly the last 50 years has this info stamped on it.


Ask yourself: Does the Mexican government submit ALL seized guns to the American BATFE for tracing... or just the guns that have clear US manufacturing stamps and serial numbers? Do you think they submit obviously foreign manufactured or unidentified origin firearms? Do you think they submit the firearms that were victims of theft or bribery from mexican armed forces?

It's all politics. The obvious answer is that, NO... the Mexican government does not submit everything for testing. What they do submit... they alrady have a good idea came from the US. Why would they submit items that they know the US would have absolutely no record? Looking at some of the hardware seized from the cartel in these "photo-ops" of successful Mexican gun/drug busts, you'll see true military grade shit. Crew serviced MGs, REAL AKs and M16s, grenades, launchers, mortars, etc... this kind of shit is simply not available at US gun shows, over-the-counter gun stores, or private sale. Even in the US, alot of the confiscated items laid out for show and tell are highly controlled and regulated.

Do some US guns make their way south? Of course... probably quite a few, in fact. But as a poster indicated above, Why would the cartels go through alot of trouble to smuggle numerous $600-$1000 apiece civilian semi-auto guns though a policed northern border when cheap real-deal full-auto military AKs, FNs, & ARs can be brought nearly unchecked across the southern border from numerous banana republics.

IMO, Mexico is doing what nearly every gold-digging scumbag ambulance-chaser American does when it feels wronged... going after the guys with the deepest pockets regardless of true culpability.

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U.S. Guns, The Awful, Shocking Truth [View all] SecularMotion Aug 2012 OP
You can't buy full-auto in the U.S GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #1
Correction: You can buy full auto in the US... but it is highly regulated and $$$. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #5
Nice to know it's all about money. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #34
What else whould be about? OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #35
"...and submitted for tracing..." slackmaster Aug 2012 #2
Of the men typing at my keyboard, 100% are me! That must be significant, somehow. n/t TPaine7 Aug 2012 #30
Extremely misleading statistic (re: 70% of mexican guns come from US) OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #3
I'm curious how many of those made in America guns were sold to the Mexican military/police 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #10
The claim use to be 90% of those submitted for tracing were from US -- we're improving nicely aikoaiko Aug 2012 #4
some news organizations can't be taken seriously based on the names gejohnston Aug 2012 #6
Sadly, our gun culture cares little about the indirect effects of their need for more and more guns. Hoyt Aug 2012 #7
Replace the word "Gun" with "Drugs" and you might have a point DonP Aug 2012 #11
You are right, we need to relax drug laws and restrict guns severely. Hoyt Aug 2012 #29
Why is Canada not suffering the same fate? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #20
Simply put - Canadians aren't into buying, hoarding, carrying guns prized by "cold blooded killers." Hoyt Aug 2012 #21
Ah so it's culture, not gun availability and proximity to US gun-shows 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #22
US gun shows do most of their damage here. Hoyt Aug 2012 #23
Not really 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #24
Lax gun laws enable, and in fact spur, some folks to do bad things. Hoyt Aug 2012 #26
so how do you explain Mexico gejohnston Aug 2012 #27
So we should enact stricter laws, like Mexico 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #28
Do people still buy this lie? ID10TS... ileus Aug 2012 #8
So sharing a long open border with the gun-happy US is the cause of all that violence? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #9
By the OP's logic, Canada should be a bloodbath. rDigital Aug 2012 #13
You sure are good at copy and post opinion pieces. rl6214 Aug 2012 #12
You sure are good at disrupting threads. SecularMotion Aug 2012 #14
He was just pointing out your bad posting behavior. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #15
It's a news item that concerns US gun policy. SecularMotion Aug 2012 #16
You have an odd definition of disrupting. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #17
"Thread Disrupting" is posting off-topic comments in order to steer the discussion away from the OP SecularMotion Aug 2012 #18
Penalty for not actually starting the conversation! ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #19
What have you learned of benefit to society from Colorado shooting? Hoyt Aug 2012 #25
I've been reminded, again, tortoise1956 Aug 2012 #31
Whe going to popular movies: wear a bulletproof vest under my shirt and carry a gun. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #36
If called upon to stand and deliver HALO141 Aug 2012 #39
If you don't have a comment to make about the article, then don't start the thread. rl6214 Aug 2012 #38
If it bothers you so much, please put me on ignore or don't click on my threads SecularMotion Aug 2012 #40
Oh no, much to fun to watch you spit and sputter rl6214 Aug 2012 #41
It's opinion, not news. HALO141 Aug 2012 #33
Drive-by posts. Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #32
How can it be disrupting your thread, when you made no comments rl6214 Aug 2012 #37
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