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In reply to the discussion: U.S. Guns, The Awful, Shocking Truth [View all]OneTenthofOnePercent
(6,268 posts)3. Extremely misleading statistic (re: 70% of mexican guns come from US)
Please re-read the talking point: "According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), more than 70 percent of the weapons seized in Mexico in the last three years and submitted for tracing came from the United States."
Keep in mind that ALL guns manufactured or imported in the US for civilian or government sale are marked with a manufacturing or import point of origin, caliber, unique serial number, and (if necessary) "Govt Use Only" restrictions. EVERY SINGLE ONE for nearly the last 50 years has this info stamped on it.
Ask yourself: Does the Mexican government submit ALL seized guns to the American BATFE for tracing... or just the guns that have clear US manufacturing stamps and serial numbers? Do you think they submit obviously foreign manufactured or unidentified origin firearms? Do you think they submit the firearms that were victims of theft or bribery from mexican armed forces?
It's all politics. The obvious answer is that, NO... the Mexican government does not submit everything for testing. What they do submit... they alrady have a good idea came from the US. Why would they submit items that they know the US would have absolutely no record? Looking at some of the hardware seized from the cartel in these "photo-ops" of successful Mexican gun/drug busts, you'll see true military grade shit. Crew serviced MGs, REAL AKs and M16s, grenades, launchers, mortars, etc... this kind of shit is simply not available at US gun shows, over-the-counter gun stores, or private sale. Even in the US, alot of the confiscated items laid out for show and tell are highly controlled and regulated.
Do some US guns make their way south? Of course... probably quite a few, in fact. But as a poster indicated above, Why would the cartels go through alot of trouble to smuggle numerous $600-$1000 apiece civilian semi-auto guns though a policed northern border when cheap real-deal full-auto military AKs, FNs, & ARs can be brought nearly unchecked across the southern border from numerous banana republics.
IMO, Mexico is doing what nearly every gold-digging scumbag ambulance-chaser American does when it feels wronged... going after the guys with the deepest pockets regardless of true culpability.
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Correction: You can buy full auto in the US... but it is highly regulated and $$$.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Aug 2012
#5
Of the men typing at my keyboard, 100% are me! That must be significant, somehow. n/t
TPaine7
Aug 2012
#30
Extremely misleading statistic (re: 70% of mexican guns come from US)
OneTenthofOnePercent
Aug 2012
#3
I'm curious how many of those made in America guns were sold to the Mexican military/police
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#10
The claim use to be 90% of those submitted for tracing were from US -- we're improving nicely
aikoaiko
Aug 2012
#4
Sadly, our gun culture cares little about the indirect effects of their need for more and more guns.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#7
Simply put - Canadians aren't into buying, hoarding, carrying guns prized by "cold blooded killers."
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#21
Ah so it's culture, not gun availability and proximity to US gun-shows
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#22
So sharing a long open border with the gun-happy US is the cause of all that violence?
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#9
"Thread Disrupting" is posting off-topic comments in order to steer the discussion away from the OP
SecularMotion
Aug 2012
#18
Whe going to popular movies: wear a bulletproof vest under my shirt and carry a gun.
OneTenthofOnePercent
Aug 2012
#36
If you don't have a comment to make about the article, then don't start the thread.
rl6214
Aug 2012
#38
If it bothers you so much, please put me on ignore or don't click on my threads
SecularMotion
Aug 2012
#40