Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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209. a couple of false assumptions

Wed Aug 8, 2012, 09:47 AM

Aug 2012

the first being that group being mostly "paranoid white men" that percentage includes many people of color. I'm guessing you have never been in rural areas in the south and southwest. Your knowledge of self defense law are nonexistant other than propaganda you might have heard on talk radio. SYG has been the direction US self defense law has been moving since the Progressive Era. It is precedent under federal law since the 1920s.

Your second paragraph is bigoted nonsense. Truth is no one likes being scapegoated for problems they don't contribute to. It doesn't matter if you are a Hispanic deer hunter in Texas, an African American target shooter in Detroit, or some white guy who moved to Florida from New York (which is half the population)

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10 Tips for gun control advocates. [View all] xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 OP

Oh good, another 2A supporter telling us that we're idiots. Scuba Jul 2012 #1

According to the cdc xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #2

You're bad at math too. Scuba Jul 2012 #8

80 million gun owners xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #9

once you remove the suicides gejohnston Jul 2012 #10

and a good point to make about suicides... alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #37

based on Australian and Canadian experience gejohnston Jul 2012 #53

I see alcohol and drug abuse as slow suicide. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #111

true gejohnston Jul 2012 #115

and... kenfrequed Jul 2012 #139

Only "aprox 85 guns a day are fired resulting in a death"? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #173

you are talking to the wrong people gejohnston Aug 2012 #174

I don't care what a mosquito reads if it carries death. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #175

+1000 ellisonz Aug 2012 #198

What?? Are you even reading before you respond? xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #200

How many people die per day because of their cars? Right Hand of Dog Aug 2012 #177

chicks dig Glocks gejohnston Aug 2012 #178

85 vs 230,000,000 xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #179

You consider 85 gun killing incidents in America every day statistically insignificant. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #180

that is counting suicides gejohnston Aug 2012 #182

LOL Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #183

If I were you, I wouldn't either gejohnston Aug 2012 #184

The only fact that really counts is success rate. Guns win hands down when available. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #185

we went through this before, gejohnston Aug 2012 #186

If 85 cars a day crashed resulting in people dying, we'd do something about it DainBramaged Aug 2012 #190

apples and oranges gejohnston Aug 2012 #191

not idiots gejohnston Jul 2012 #6

How would you make gun ownership more "neat and orderly?" (n/t) spin Jul 2012 #20

Ignorant 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #47

IBTL, but thanks for the tutorial. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #3

This is posted in the RKBA forum, where such threads belong...should not be locked ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #12

We have been asked to confine ourselves here sarisataka Jul 2012 #45

Every google dump of news articles containing shootings the anti-gun zealots post is flamebait rl6214 Jul 2012 #118

Yeah, right. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2012 #157

#6 is factually incorrect. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #4

good point. xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #5

The M1Garand is a semi-auto Battle Rifle. oneshooter Jul 2012 #160

True, but some context is warranted. xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #162

yawn SecularMotion Jul 2012 #7

Bored by the facts are you? rl6214 Jul 2012 #119

Facts often ARE boreing. HALO141 Jul 2012 #129

A question about a comment you made. Kaleva Jul 2012 #11

I think I understand your point xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #13

Okay. Thanks for the clarification! Kaleva Jul 2012 #16

The last one I saw for sale xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #21

You should check out the CMP, Civilian Marksmanship program rl6214 Jul 2012 #120

Nice xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #127

No you won't. But they will ship it direct to your door! oneshooter Jul 2012 #161

I have a C&R Lic so they did ship to my door. rl6214 Jul 2012 #166

that would depend on how close you were to one another, alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #41

You would have on advantage Mec9000 Jul 2012 #58

10 more bongbong Jul 2012 #14

Do you have any particular facts armueller2001 Jul 2012 #17

PROVE IT! bongbong Jul 2012 #23

The sky is blue n/t sarisataka Jul 2012 #46

Perhaps. If so please disprove these "Big Lies." (n/t) spin Jul 2012 #19

PROVE IT! bongbong Jul 2012 #22

Are you copying and pasting the same replies to every thread? nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #24

No bongbong Jul 2012 #26

Just most of them? ErikO Jul 2012 #35

Teh Bells Tolls bongbong Jul 2012 #69

Do you dispute the fact that there is a group of liberal gun owners who have formed a club? rl6214 Jul 2012 #122

Which points are you referring to as "Big Lies"? xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #25

HILARIOUS! bongbong Jul 2012 #27

Which parts are opinion? Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #33

Sense & Dense bongbong Jul 2012 #70

You haven't yet contributed anything to xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #71

The NRA Talking Point Express bongbong Jul 2012 #72

Well Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #73

It should be noted xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #75

PROVE IT! bongbong Jul 2012 #78

I already posted a link to the poll nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #80

Where bongbong Jul 2012 #86

Was in the discussion below Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #89

Polls bongbong Jul 2012 #112

Read the entire site, not just the first graph nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #113

As usual every one of your posts is just rl6214 Jul 2012 #123

Crzay bongbong Jul 2012 #145

I wonder how it would be taken if every anti gun post was answered with ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #163

Apparently one CAN be that dense. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #125

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #143

LOL cleanhippie Jul 2012 #155

It is your job to disprove those claims. spin Jul 2012 #106

Oh, OK bongbong Jul 2012 #108

You would definitely have a hard time proving #9 to me ... spin Jul 2012 #135

And yet you are completely ineffective at promoting more gun restrictions. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #43

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #67

If one smells bullshit everywhere they turn... cleanhippie Jul 2012 #124

Not everywhere bongbong Jul 2012 #144

We both know it applies to you. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #156

The enemy gate... Callisto32 Jul 2012 #15

HaHa xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #18

The book makes me cry becuase it is so good. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #130

I have the same concerns for the movie xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #131

Interesting username auburngrad82 Jul 2012 #28

Its a sci-fi fiction. xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #32

Aha, I see a Commissar of Political Purity has arrived... Marengo Aug 2012 #187

Online Gun Sales electedface Jul 2012 #29

Then Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #34

That video is so much bullshit it makes me cramp Chuuku Davis Jul 2012 #38

this person has posted this same nonsense at least 3 times today. alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #42

Why do you feel it is appropriate to promote lies, distortions and untruths on D.U.? PavePusher Jul 2012 #116

Why do gun threads keep coming up Chuuku Davis Jul 2012 #30

It's better to light a candle than curse the darkness. nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #36

Because it is an entertaining debate ... spin Jul 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #31

Life is best lived as a continuing education ... spin Jul 2012 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #158

Breaking news... xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #159

It would appear that you actually know have little knowledge about the gun culture ... spin Jul 2012 #165

Why do newbes always come in here with right wing gun talking points like it's something brilliant? Hoyt Jul 2012 #39

Interesting opinion Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #40

Do you care to "prove" that crud is true? Hoyt Jul 2012 #49

Which point? Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #50

#s 3 through 10. #1 and 2 have been addressed. Hoyt Jul 2012 #51

Did I miss any? Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #55

Why don't you show us where Declaration of Independence addressed guns? Hoyt Jul 2012 #57

Not spin, I said it shows their intent and here you go Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #59

So not one word about guns in the Declaration of Independence. Hoyt Jul 2012 #61

I keep mine under my pillow xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #62

Join the gun culture club. Most here aren't that honest about the right wing gun stuff they post. Hoyt Jul 2012 #64

Apparently sarcasm is lost on you as well xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #65

As is what "gun culture" really means. rl6214 Jul 2012 #126

I said it shows intent Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #63

That shows "intent" for 2nd Amendment? Then, the 2nd Amendment isn't about bearing arms and Hoyt Jul 2012 #66

I've said many times Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #68

Then fine, hide a few guns at home since that is the intent of the 2nd Amendment. Hoyt Jul 2012 #74

Where in the 2nd amendment Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #77

Opinions bongbong Jul 2012 #81

Nope Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #83

Entire discussion bongbong Jul 2012 #85

Really? xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #87

Yeah bongbong Jul 2012 #93

I'm starting to think you really don't have anything to add to the discussion nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #95

has no intention of adding anything gejohnston Jul 2012 #100

Para bongbong Jul 2012 #107

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #105

No he/she really doesn't rl6214 Jul 2012 #128

Now you're trying to dodge the issue because you got called out on it Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #90

Dodge bongbong Jul 2012 #91

That's the dodge Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #94

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #99

I've gone out of my way to backup my points Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #101

Backup? bongbong Jul 2012 #103

Well Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #104

Actually, that is a dubious interpretation. kenfrequed Jul 2012 #168

Autographs bongbong Jul 2012 #76

Was waiting for that one :-) Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #79

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #84

From an examination of the rights at the time Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #88

search bongbong Jul 2012 #110

That's a funny thought -- these guys do seem to think they are one of the Founding Fathers. Hoyt Jul 2012 #82

Also Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #92

I'm responding to your response to my post #76. bongbong Jul 2012 #97

They're all cited, you're a troll friend nt Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #98

LOL bongbong Jul 2012 #102

Don't you love it? sarisataka Jul 2012 #121

The fact that you even asked that question xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #60

so point #1, the infamous "gun show loophole" alabama_for_obama Jul 2012 #44

People sell guns at gun shows without background checks. Happens all the time. Hoyt Jul 2012 #48

Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #52

So, I guess 0.8% is OK for violent crimes? How about all the "non-violent' crimes and intimidation Hoyt Jul 2012 #54

I don't think its reasonable to assume that if those .8% of criminals were unable xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #56

#11 gejohnston Jul 2012 #96

Excellent words!!!!!!! JoeInNy Jul 2012 #109

It's unbelievable RegieRocker Jul 2012 #136

You can lead a gun-grabber to read but you can't make them think. nt jody Jul 2012 #132

Read post 136 RegieRocker Jul 2012 #137

ROFL because you don't know me! jody Jul 2012 #140

I was in agreement with you! RegieRocker Jul 2012 #147

Can we hit ignore for someone with 52 posts? Sancho Jul 2012 #133

You know what i like? xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #134

You know as much about Dr. Peeper as you know about 2a. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #138

Do you really believe your post quoted below is an example of history and logic? jody Jul 2012 #142

WTF does health coverage have to do with this problem. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #146

I think my dr pepper statement xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #148

Ok RegieRocker Jul 2012 #150

Please don't prove yourself at 10, 2, and 4.... Sancho Jul 2012 #154

Someone has an awfully damn high opinion of himself. Callisto32 Jul 2012 #164

This is ridiculous flamebait kenfrequed Jul 2012 #141

I am seeing a lot of words without really saying anything useful xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #149

Working in inverse order. kenfrequed Jul 2012 #167

I'm not seeing your case TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #199

I gave it all the attentiont it decidedly deserved and probably a bit more. kenfrequed Aug 2012 #210

My intent in point #10 is to convey something xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #212

And you accomplished this by... kenfrequed Aug 2012 #218

another new poster here to dispense NRA-funded pearls of wisdom villager Jul 2012 #151

Sighhhh...You know one does not have to be an NRA member xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #152

...to buy into their honed, corporate-lobbying propaganda? villager Aug 2012 #170

As opposed to fear-mongering directed towards gun owners, which has gained little traction. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #171

Is there anything decent left in you that gets tired of the blood-soaked apologetics? villager Aug 2012 #188

An assessment of political reality has become a "blood-soaked" apologia? How pitiful. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #194

well, you've certainly managed to answer the question in a definitive way. villager Aug 2012 #195

you have that confused with Brady gejohnston Aug 2012 #172

Also...at some point you were a newbie xxenderwigginxx Jul 2012 #153

"NRA-funded" If you've got any evidence, now would be a good time to show it.. friendly_iconoclast Jul 2012 #169

...and as is usual with such claims, no evidence was provided. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #176

Well said Ya Basta Aug 2012 #181

Rubbish DainBramaged Aug 2012 #189

so Wyoming is the same as New York gejohnston Aug 2012 #192

You weren't supposed to notice that... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #193

You can see in this same article xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #196

Meh DainBramaged Aug 2012 #197

Anybody who publicy uses the phrase "right to keep and bare arms" has no credibility in my book. geckosfeet Aug 2012 #201

so are you saying there is no right to gejohnston Aug 2012 #203

Operating as the grammar police seems xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #205

Yeah. It's my fault people can't write then expect other people to take them seriously. geckosfeet Aug 2012 #207

As time goes on the general public will become disenchanted with gun owners... Walk away Aug 2012 #202

you are still talking about 30-40 gejohnston Aug 2012 #204

The makeup of the US population is going to change drastically in the next 10 to 20 yrs Walk away Aug 2012 #208

a couple of false assumptions gejohnston Aug 2012 #209

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #211

The idea that all, or most, 2A supporters xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #213

Keep it up! You'll end up holed up in the "don't tread on me" hills along with... Walk away Aug 2012 #214

plenty of game to shoot.......... gejohnston Aug 2012 #217

One big old tip back at ya for 2A apostles... Pholus Aug 2012 #206

When did I ever discuss xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #215

Hey, by your OP we're just trading "tips." Can't you handle one coming back? Pholus Aug 2012 #216