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81. Regarding my small collection of firearms ...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 04:25 PM
Aug 2012

not a single one.

I see no reason to give up any of them. None would qualify as an assault weapon has they are mostly revolvers and semi-auto pistols designed for target shooting. I do own a bolt action Mauser and a double barreled coach gun.

But even if I owned an assault style semi-auto rifle or several, I would see no reason to turn them in. The idea that gun bans or confiscations would decrease violent gun crime is foolish. Liberal Democrats who dislike firearm owners always seem to want to ban something. Ban evil looking black rifles, ban high capacity magazines, ban ownership of several thousand rounds of ammo.

Such ideas have little chance of ever becoming law in our nation and are largely a waste of time. It may be possible to pass such legislation in some states but not nationwide.

What we need to do as a nation is to insist that the states update the NICS background system with the names of those who have a criminal record or have been legally adjudged as having severe mental issues on a timely basis. This should present absolutely no problem as it is already law.

Then we need to try to expand the NICS system and require it be used for the sale of all firearms including all private sales. This may prove difficult if not impossible because the conservatives will oppose such an idea.

Of course we need to improve our mental healthcare system and those who deal with people with mental issues should be required to report individuals they honestly believe have serious mental issues and might be violent to the proper authorities. Once again this might be extremely difficult or impossible as it might infringe on individual rights as well has mental patient rights to have treatment data held confidential between the individual and his doctor.

Since 80% percent of all gun violence is caused from criminal activity or gang warfare between drug gangs, it would make sense to target such activity. One thing that we could do is to fight the practice of straw purchasing firearms as this is often used to bypass the NICS background check by criminals. I would suggest that anyone who engaged in the practice of straw purchasing firearms for resale to gun smuggling organizations or a criminal should be charged as an accessory to any crime committed with the firearms he/she bought. If a few people who engage in the straw purchase of firearms end up charged as an accessory to murder, the message may get out.

We also need to realize as a nation that our War on Drugs is and has been a TOTAL failure. We need to legalize the sale of some drugs such as marijuana and possibly cocaine in order to much of the profit out of dealing drugs.

To be blunt but realistic, our educational system sucks. It is stuck in the last century and we need to move it into the current century and use technology to teach. Most of our youth are computer literate and enjoy playing games on a computer but absolutely hate sitting in a classroom. I watched my grand children playing World of Warcraft and realized that they were learning far more about economics than they were learning in their high school. Such games could easily be adapted to a school environment to teach history, science or mathematics. The result, in my opinion, would be students better trained to get good jobs that payed a living wage rather than being merely qualified to be hamburger flippers.

My son in law and I were discussing how we could improve gun control laws in our nation today and he suggested that anyone who buys a firearm or ammo should have a license. To obtain such a license the requirements would include firearm safety training, finger printing, a serious background check and a trip to a gun range to prove that the applicant can safely shoot such a weapon. He also suggested an mental heath evaluation but I'm not sure that there are enough philologists or psychiatrists in our nation to handle the load. Of course once an individual obtained such a license he/she would be allowed to buy any weapon he/she wished and carry a concealed weapon if he/she wished.

Of course you and many others who post here will disagree with me and point out that we should simply ban certain firearms and high capacity magazines and this would solve the problem. In a perfect world such ideas might work but we don't live in a utopia. Reality is a bitch. At this time pushing for such ideas is a waste of time and damages our party. In today's political environment such ideas are impossible to implement and would do little or nothing to solve the problem

Of course many of my ideas would be very impossible to implement. That's why in the post that you replied to I compared our current national situation to a Roman galley with uncooperative rowers on both the right and left side of the boat.







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Illinois -- still taking the tax revenue from ArmaLite Arms the creators of the AR-15. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #1
Are any of these purveyors of fine semi-automatic firearms still located in IL? -..__... Jul 2012 #3
IIRC Les Baer packed it up and crossed the river to Iowa DonP Jul 2012 #6
Well that's just brilliant Reasonable_Argument Jul 2012 #2
Not the smartest of moves by Gov. Quinn... truebrit71 Jul 2012 #4
Down staters have had it with the calmeco702 Jul 2012 #5
This Illinois government? PavePusher Jul 2012 #7
Destroying freedom....how progressive. ileus Jul 2012 #8
In the meantime he's fucking the unions over royally DonP Jul 2012 #9
All caps. rrneck Jul 2012 #10
yes. if you follow the link -- AP does that so -- DOG CROSSES STREET would be all caps. nt xchrom Jul 2012 #12
Ah. I stand corrected. Sorry. nt rrneck Jul 2012 #13
Gutsy and smart man. I bet that'll have the militia types in the state all up in arms. Hoyt Jul 2012 #11
Do you wait for stories like this? Missycim Aug 2012 #15
It's best to ignore him. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #16
Been right here a whole lot longer than you, I think. Hoyt Aug 2012 #20
That doesn't change your motivation. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #22
You have been a member longer then I but Missycim Aug 2012 #34
"Predictable" -- so is every member of gun culture. Hoyt Aug 2012 #37
Your objections and "rationales" have remained HALO141 Aug 2012 #41
My post are consistent because gun lovers are consistently wrong about guns in society. Hoyt Aug 2012 #44
Just your opinion. You have a right to it. HALO141 Aug 2012 #50
Hoyt was actually spot on this time. ellisonz Aug 2012 #33
I know a fair number of individuals in Florida who own "black rifles" ... spin Aug 2012 #19
I can imagine what they are like and what they are preparing to "defend" themsleves from. Hoyt Aug 2012 #21
Nor do you have to be a "militia/KKK.etc, type" to own one ... spin Aug 2012 #23
Again, you may be the most wonderful gun owner in America. But that is not my experience with most. Hoyt Aug 2012 #24
Your experience Jenoch Aug 2012 #25
Zimmerman and Stawicki had a permit too, to name a few. Hoyt Aug 2012 #29
there is no evidence gejohnston Aug 2012 #32
He stalked and shot an unarmed teenager for being Black -- proof enough for me. Why not you? Hoyt Aug 2012 #46
because that is not what the evidence shows gejohnston Aug 2012 #51
Quite the opposite. HALO141 Aug 2012 #42
And yet you Jenoch Aug 2012 #48
There he goes, running away with those goalposts again........... Ashgrey77 Aug 2012 #62
I wonder what percentage of CCW holders were hall monitors in school. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #35
Admittedly I know mostly regular target shooters ... spin Aug 2012 #30
We agree, most gun types are conservatives. You won't admit it, but that also means most are bigots. Hoyt Aug 2012 #49
Cool false dilemma, bro. rDigital Aug 2012 #63
You need new material xxenderwigginxx Aug 2012 #65
No, you need to take a dimmer view of conservatives and linked gun culture. Hoyt Aug 2012 #66
I realize that in our nation at this time ... spin Aug 2012 #67
So, what are you willing to give up regarding your guns? Hoyt Aug 2012 #68
Firstly, what are *you* willing to give up? In the spirit of compromise, of course... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #78
Don't think there is much else you need to get access to any gun you need to feel good. NRA and Hoyt Aug 2012 #80
Regarding my small collection of firearms ... spin Aug 2012 #81
So, there's a shooting in my home state (Colorado), Ashgrey77 Jul 2012 #14
Quinn claims the Illinois sailor was killed by an "assault weapon"? DonP Aug 2012 #17
Ummm, rifles accounted for less than 0.7% of Illinois murders in in 2010. benEzra Aug 2012 #18
Excellent!!!!!!!!!!! gopiscrap Aug 2012 #26
Why do you say that? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #28
Do you want it to mirror eagle308us Aug 2012 #31
Chicago has some of the strictest gun regulations in the country so logically they should be . . . 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #27
NRA Talking Point #12 bongbong Aug 2012 #54
So Chicago gejohnston Aug 2012 #55
Zoom! bongbong Aug 2012 #58
another example of gejohnston Aug 2012 #59
"Laws don't stop criminals, so why have laws?" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #56
Laughs bongbong Aug 2012 #57
Do you know what a strawman argument is? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #60
Strawman bongbong Aug 2012 #69
And you do it again 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #70
Just trying to help you bongbong Aug 2012 #73
Your post was nonsensical 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #74
abhor bongbong Aug 2012 #75
You're boring 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #76
Education is boring bongbong Aug 2012 #79
So is your relentless goading of everyone who doesn't agree with you. HALO141 Aug 2012 #93
Cool straw man, bro. rDigital Aug 2012 #64
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #72
That's all he has 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #77
Baby steps, but in the right direction. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #36
right direction to what? gejohnston Aug 2012 #38
That's why they are baby steps Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #39
you didn't read the linked article did you? gejohnston Aug 2012 #40
Read the article (as hand waves away the facts)? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #71
The last AWB failed to reduce violence at all 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #43
I don't. That's why I said baby steps. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #45
So you realize it's worthless 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #47
I support him for having the balls to stand up to a mob mentality. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #82
Funny how democracy sounds scary when you just call it "mob mentality" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #86
Fighting for gay rights is standing up to the mob mentality Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #90
Not once a majority support it 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #91
The resultant change would be a change of politicians. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #53
Unfortunately, you may well be right. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #83
Integrity? Equate Aug 2012 #87
Integrity? Yeah, that's why he helped short Union pensions by $83 Billion DonP Aug 2012 #88
I don't know the man apart from his stance on this, which shows integrity Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #89
integrity if he truly believes it gejohnston Aug 2012 #92
And some would say HALO141 Aug 2012 #61
Absolutely! It's up to us what kind of change we want. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #84
neither do third world countries gejohnston Aug 2012 #85
Do it ILL! Lint Head Aug 2012 #52
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