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Atypical Liberal

(5,412 posts)
23. Private sales are unregulated.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jan 2012
Since private sales are legal isn't it likely that the people who cannot pass a background check can just go the eBay route or the Craigslist route and get a gun? There is no obligation to do anything but verify they are 18 years old and live in the same state as the seller does.

Well, except that neither eBay nor Craigslist allow the sale of firearms, you are essentially correct.

All anyone who wants to buy a firearm needs to do is go to www.gunbroker.com or open your local Penny Saver and look in the Sporting Goods section. Private individuals are selling firearms every day.

So if a criminal wants to buy a used firearm at market prices all they need is cash and they can buy one, in most states, no questions asked.

The way around this is to have universal licensing and require that all sellers keep a record of the license information from the buyer for 10 years or so. This is what Illinois does. Sellers have an incentive to only sell to licensed buyers because if you sell to someone without a license there is a good chance that person is a criminal and will use that firearm in a crime, whereupon it may be traced back to the last legitimate owner.

However, what I have recommended is instead of an opt-in system like Illinois has, where only firearm owners apply for FOIDs, thus creating a registry of all firearm owners, they should have an opt-out system, where FOIDs are automatically issued to everyone who applies for a driver's license or state-issued ID, unless they opt out. By so doing, merely having an FOID does not guarantee that that person actually owns firearms. Thus firearm ownership anonymity is preserved, but you can also help make sure that private sales are only between authorized individuals.

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All depends on whether you want to distinguish ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #1
I doubt the NICS B.G. test is effective as a prohibition tool... SteveW Jan 2012 #2
I am talking only about Craigslist in person sales. Not shipping. I think that is illegal. Logical Jan 2012 #3
I understand that... SteveW Jan 2012 #5
All post selling firearms safeinOhio Jan 2012 #20
Private gun sales E6-B Jan 2012 #13
Craigslist gun ads are supposed to be against the rules and deleted rl6214 Jan 2012 #17
"Unless he admits he is a felon there is no obligation on the seller to verify anything else." PavePusher Jan 2012 #4
I 100% agree. Nothing a seller can do to verify anything. n-t Logical Jan 2012 #6
If your contention were true, facts would bear that out.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #7
What do you mean? What 'contentions' are you talking about? I am wondering..... Logical Jan 2012 #8
I'm reading ahead in your playbook. Sorry. X_Digger Jan 2012 #16
Who's buying guns from eBay and Craigslist? BiggJawn Jan 2012 #9
OK, hmmm, I friend bougfht one from a craigslist posting. Maybe it was flagged after he contacted... Logical Jan 2012 #19
Guns and other weapons are prohibited on Craigslist Fourier Jan 2012 #10
where there is a will there is a way Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #11
Do you really want anyone to run a background check? E6-B Jan 2012 #12
Which is why a private sale would require a dealer to run the backgound check... spin Jan 2012 #14
Can you still do a wind triangle? Fourier Jan 2012 #15
I don't want anyone to be able to run them. Logical Jan 2012 #18
Laws are made to address a problem. safeinOhio Jan 2012 #21
Agreed. ellisonz Jan 2012 #26
Yes, there are. beevul Jan 2012 #22
Private sales are unregulated. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #23
Craigslist does not accept ads for guns. Neither does eBay. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #24
map showing private sales. ileus Jan 2012 #25
Thanks for this!! n-t Logical Jan 2012 #27
Most of us would like for NICS to be opened up to public access AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #28
No. Anyone (except very small children) can get a gun if they want one. AlinPA Jan 2012 #29
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