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arendt

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61. A very interesting post.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:00 PM
Aug 2012

I would be all for the de-escalation of self defense from lethality to non-lethality (pepper sprays, even tasers).

And, if it were not for the vast and decades-old propaganda campaign for ever more lethal weaponry, I could support "legal but not customary". That is how it seems to work in Canada.

I can appreciate your examples, but I could produce equally compelling counter examples.

The issue for me is the huge ideological network that has been put in place in the US to de-legitmize the police, to encourage people to shoot first and ask questions later, to look the other way at the epidemic of abuse of minorities (NYPD stop and frisk, Oakland PD outright murder, Trayvon Martin and all the coded, racist Castle Doctrine bullshit, etc.). How far do you think a minority is going to get using a gun to defend himself against police violence?

Your post here is perfectly reasonable in 1960s Wyoming. It is not reasonable in Florida in 2012.

What have you got to say about the NRA, about the open trade in scratch buyers of guns for the Mexican gangs in Arizona?

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I diaried this at Kos a few weeks ago arendt Aug 2012 #1
That what you said was patently false does not surprise me ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #5
Well, you get points for responding to the economics. arendt Aug 2012 #27
get a .22 gejohnston Aug 2012 #40
I see it a bit differently Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #43
gun owners in the us are certainly repressed. there are not samsingh Aug 2012 #33
you have the prices right but one thing. gejohnston Aug 2012 #6
i think the poster was referring to the research that the poster conducted. samsingh Aug 2012 #34
A very interesting read Kaleva Aug 2012 #10
Yeah. I'm trying to address that, one post at a time... arendt Aug 2012 #28
wait one more thing gejohnston Aug 2012 #11
Do you have a clue about history? arendt Aug 2012 #18
Actually I do know history gejohnston Aug 2012 #29
Its fascinating to watch people not connect dots... arendt Aug 2012 #30
aww but gejohnston Aug 2012 #31
Now that is interesting (seriously) arendt Aug 2012 #32
SLC gejohnston Aug 2012 #39
Very interesting. Thank you. n/t arendt Aug 2012 #42
Disgusting nonsense rDigital Aug 2012 #16
You got nothing, but boilerplate. arendt Aug 2012 #19
Ok rDigital Aug 2012 #44
About what I expected from a hardcore ideologue. arendt Aug 2012 #47
I give you points for trying, arendt Skittles Aug 2012 #51
unfortunately, gejohnston Aug 2012 #57
The district court of DC, a majority opinion by the fascist Scalia, and that crumb Rehnquist arendt Aug 2012 #58
not arming everyone gejohnston Aug 2012 #59
A very interesting post. arendt Aug 2012 #61
Fitting. rDigital Aug 2012 #64
that is not how it works in Canada gejohnston Aug 2012 #66
Arm an abused child against their parents? Your straw man is showing. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #63
this is a good post. samsingh Aug 2012 #35
Given our current trajectory re: things like health care or xchrom Aug 2012 #2
Right to own is not quite the same as the right to have ProgressiveProfessor Aug 2012 #3
+1 This was pretty much my response too aikoaiko Aug 2012 #4
not enough guns out there? samsingh Aug 2012 #36
I'm sure many people would like to increase collections. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #41
not against legal - but against a lack of controls and common sense samsingh Aug 2012 #45
I'm willing to bet your "lack of controls and common sense" don't match up with mine. shadowrider Aug 2012 #55
Right on the money. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #7
easy choice gejohnston Aug 2012 #8
I can't afford cable or satellite. Netflix at $7.99 a month is the best I can do. Kaleva Aug 2012 #9
That's a rough budget, if you're rDigital Aug 2012 #13
I own two Mosin Nagant 91/30s Kaleva Aug 2012 #14
Still, that's a lot of self control being able to rDigital Aug 2012 #15
Or maybe, if they are lucky, crappy health insurance. arendt Aug 2012 #22
That would be a radical interpretation of what I wrote. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #56
food and health care are unimportant samsingh Aug 2012 #37
We won't mention the gun manufacturers scare tactics... arendt Aug 2012 #20
agreed samsingh Aug 2012 #38
So, your OK with the GOP version of healthcare. arendt Aug 2012 #23
Sorry, "requirement", not "right" n/t arendt Aug 2012 #24
The 'right' to own arms is Jenoch Aug 2012 #12
A right you simply cannøt afford is not a right. It is a cruel joke. arendt Aug 2012 #21
The construction of the BoR... Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #50
Poll taxes were deemed unconsttutional Kaleva Aug 2012 #53
No dice Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #67
Your comment Kaleva Aug 2012 #69
Hey, cool! Civility is fun! Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #70
Where is health insurance Jenoch Aug 2012 #65
I Want To See The Ad Campaign For Such A Proposal. Paladin Aug 2012 #17
It's already been done - the Arm the Homeless campaign. Results were hilarious. slackmaster Aug 2012 #26
Thanks, Slack. Too Bad It's Not A Hoax, Here........(nt) Paladin Aug 2012 #68
The right to own something doesn't mean a right to have someone else pay for it slackmaster Aug 2012 #25
Some prices and costs Kaleva Aug 2012 #46
thanks. most useful. arendt Aug 2012 #48
There is stupid, and there is stoopid. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #49
One of my favorite movies is "Hobo With A Shotgun" gordianot Aug 2012 #52
It is a negative right. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #54
Yet the arguement is often made that guns are needed for protection of family, home and self. Kaleva Aug 2012 #60
There is no constitutional obligation to offer free 911 service. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #62
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