Gun Control & RKBA

iverglas

(38,549 posts)

69. there we go

Wed Jan 4, 2012, 12:30 PM

Jan 2012

Right on cue!

Now, did you want to address the actual subject of my post maybe?

The issue on the table is whether this individual should have had firearms, and whether anyone here who thinks he should not have had firearms has any ideas about how his access to firearms might have been restricted.

So far we have:

Being involved in a custody dispute is not grounds for taking firearms away - check.

Anything else?

By the way, being involved in a custody dispute is very very definitely a risk factor for using firearms to cause harm, and the presence of firearms is very very definitely a risk factor for the occurrence of violence in the context of a custody dispute. Just in case anyone might think that is a relevant consideration. (You may all feel quite free to do your own research to learn about this or to attempt to refute it, as it isn't really my job to be anyone's encyclopedia of social science research; or anyone who likes may simply ignore this assertion, of course.)

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Police: Body found at US park is that of gunman [View all] ellisonz Jan 2012 OP

i am just so sad by this story. i know that i am suppose to be angry at this man. seabeyond Jan 2012 #1

For fucks sake, we don't have cooties. PavePusher Jan 2012 #3

for fuck sake, lol..... it is a gun issue wish was not how i addressed the post seabeyond Jan 2012 #4

There's nothing wrong with expressing sympathy for the victim, or even AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #56

that is how i see it. we have gotten to know him a tad better seabeyond Jan 2012 #64

Yea, but you've got guns and carry them in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #26

Your record is still broken. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #66

MSM called him a "survivalist" rathern than face up to how he became a murderer... SteveW Jan 2012 #78

check out post 3. that is why i dont come into this forum. seabeyond Jan 2012 #81

But here you are again. DonP Jan 2012 #84

yes. and again... because in my book, i almost feel it rude not to reply to a person. seabeyond Jan 2012 #86

Okay, I respect your position... SteveW Jan 2012 #90

respectfully, i disagree. lol, i do mean respectfully. poster #3 GUESSED and MADE UP (as you are) seabeyond Jan 2012 #96

Okay, I understand now. Thanks for your reply. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #97

Please accept a collective apology DonP Jan 2012 #101

thank you. what i have found does it is, i read latest page seabeyond Jan 2012 #102

Thanks for the meaningless drive-by! Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #2

I'm betting you didn't read the full article... ellisonz Jan 2012 #7

Well then, you lost that bet. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #8

You're being trite... ellisonz Jan 2012 #10

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How should other posters take... ellisonz Jan 2012 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #22

Sounds like you just don't like... ellisonz Jan 2012 #23

I don't have any problem with differing opinions. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #24

I'm missing the relevant issue? AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #67

Without speculation.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #68

did he have a restraining order against him? iverglas Jan 2012 #74

'obsession' difficult to define. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #76

but ya sure do know it when ya see it! iverglas Jan 2012 #93

I agree. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #104

but you would have to agree iverglas Jan 2012 #107

Yeah, so much for his being a "survivalist" as claimed in other forums. PavePusher Jan 2012 #5

"Fuck him." ellisonz Jan 2012 #19

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #21

No protect my right at all costs. ileus Jan 2012 #25

You'll see guys like him in any gun store in this country. And you guys want him to carry in public. Hoyt Jan 2012 #27

And who are "you guys"? Got a link to a thread where someone said that? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #30

I'm sure he hangs out in a lot of gun stores too DonP Jan 2012 #32

it's really quite clear, is it not? iverglas Jan 2012 #40

*I* certainly wouldn't have wanted him to carry, as he was obviously deranged. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #44

one intends the foreseeable consequences of one's actions iverglas Jan 2012 #52

Being in a custody dispute is not reason to have firearms possession taken away rl6214 Jan 2012 #54

there we go iverglas Jan 2012 #69

Your quote rl6214 Jan 2012 #70

maybe somebody could offer a logic/rhetoric course here iverglas Jan 2012 #71

Without reading that extremely long, extremely bory answer I'll just say rl6214 Jan 2012 #89

if you're not going to read what I post iverglas Jan 2012 #95

That would be prior restraint, and it's something generally frowned upon. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #77

all prohibitions on firearms acquisition/possession are "prior restraint" iverglas Jan 2012 #82

Ah, but since it's now a protected right, a higher standard prevails friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #88

And sometimes, the precautions simply don't work. See one Michael Atherton, for example: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #94

if what now? iverglas Jan 2012 #99

Where did he get his gun(s)? rl6214 Jan 2012 #53

why are you asking me? iverglas Jan 2012 #72

You posted the information about a shooting in Canada rl6214 Jan 2012 #87

pardon me, I hadn't realized the subject was changed iverglas Jan 2012 #91

I'd point out that firearms categories are not congruent in our two countries. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #100

go right ahead iverglas Jan 2012 #103

I've no inherent objection to mandatory licensing, as it's used here in Massachusetts. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #106

please don't put words in my mouth iverglas Jan 2012 #108

I'm sorry, but including "risk factors" as a criteria is entirely too subjective. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #113

well, you may need to understand administrative law better iverglas Jan 2012 #114

You should pick a better class of gun stores to hang about in. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #34

You mean mid-20's in-shape white guys? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #35

dosen't look like anyone i've seen in any gun stores around here rl6214 Jan 2012 #55

Well yeah... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #57

Project much? AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #63

Well at least he took one of the "Jack-booted thugs" with him. Buzz cook Jan 2012 #6

a real person iverglas Jan 2012 #85

So in otherwords, words to the wise would be rl6214 Jan 2012 #9

What does this "current events" post have to do with the topics of the Guns discussion group? slackmaster Jan 2012 #11

I would post discussion questions... ellisonz Jan 2012 #12

Yes, it *is* telling. It tells me that veterans need better aftercare. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #17

Oy Vey ellisonz Jan 2012 #18

You know it's possible to post questions or opinion AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #58

you say this, � propos of ... iverglas Jan 2012 #73

This is a continuing conversation between myself and the poster. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #75

A discussion question... ellisonz Jan 2012 #79

Just to point out billh58 Jan 2012 #48

The post would be a much better contribution if it included even a minimal editorial remark in OP slackmaster Jan 2012 #49

That may be true, billh58 Jan 2012 #80

People with strong views on any subject tend to be the ones most likely to engage in discussions slackmaster Jan 2012 #83

In political science, the term for "strong views" is "militancy," like stuffing envelopes. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #92

I'll beg to differ iverglas Jan 2012 #105

Yes, you are billh58 Jan 2012 #109

I'm heralding a return to the days of yore iverglas Jan 2012 #110

The "Doesn't Get It" award goes to ... Straw Man Jan 2012 #13

And a shotgun was used, not a handgun. The law was irrelevant. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #16

Not wholly irrelevant, but largely so Euromutt Jan 2012 #111

Stop bringing up facts like that We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #112

I'd like to have a saiga 12. ileus Jan 2012 #20

Why do members of "gun culture" always covet guns killers like this guy use? Hoyt Jan 2012 #28

Still trying to get that moral panic going, eh? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #29

Just wondering why poster wants one of those guns so bad, and why in hell he would post it here. Hoyt Jan 2012 #31

Admittedly, his timing could have been better. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #33

I heard "high-powered rifle" DissedByBush Jan 2012 #43

Probably because.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #36

That's the kind of gunner I know-- talking about guns and crud over victim's grave? Hoyt Jan 2012 #41

Like i said.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #98

I'd like to have one while they're still down 200 bucks from late last year. ileus Jan 2012 #38

And they are popular among those who pose in front of mirror before shooting a woman. Hoyt Jan 2012 #42

And computers are popular amongst those who trade child pornography, run botnets... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #45

But I did not go shopping for computer used upon report of awful crime. Hoyt Jan 2012 #46

gun killer ....was that his Native American name? ileus Jan 2012 #47

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #51

It's not very nice of you to call out jpak like that petronius Jan 2012 #39

oops. lol good catch. ileus Jan 2012 #61

naw...we've been talking AR'S for coyote hunting. oh and trading... ileus Jan 2012 #65

The desire to own something does not mean you "covet" it. rl6214 Jan 2012 #59

I live where two National Forests come together. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #60

May I suggest Fourier Jan 2012 #37

What was that number again? ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #50

Should probably replace Bill Wade with someone that has two brain cells to rub together. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #62