Gun Control & RKBA

TheKentuckian

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141. "I think pretty much the same way they do other controlled substances."

Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:29 AM

Aug 2012

That has worked out well, right?

You seriously want to expand a dangerously failed model that eats civil liberties like a black hole, has created a for profit prison system, and magnified exactly what is supposed to be limited?

That is not very bright at all. If this really how you folks think then you are more dangerous than any possible mad shooter. At least the shooters have the excuse of being off the reservation. Prohibitionist embrace the counter-productive when they are supposed to be lucid.

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If handguns are the problem, why is a semi-auto rifle ban the solution? [View all] Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 OP

OK good point. I think license and regulation of all semi-auto weapons Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #1

Nope, the pro restriction crowd blew it on registration Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #2

you just changed the subject. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #3

no. he didn't. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #4

No, you offered a proposal I offered a counter proposal Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #5

How has that been shown to be a waste of time? Kaleva Aug 2012 #7

Please show me a cite of any crime where limited magazine capacity Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #8

Your question supports the position that they are not needed for home or self defense. Kaleva Aug 2012 #10

What does 'need' Jenoch Aug 2012 #17

What I propose does not restrict your right to keep and bear arms Kaleva Aug 2012 #75

I did not mention Jenoch Aug 2012 #83

The people (voters) and those who the peeple elect make such decisions. Kaleva Aug 2012 #84

What the hell are you talking about? Jenoch Aug 2012 #110

Are convicted felons not people too? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #157

Huh? Jenoch Aug 2012 #166

Quite simple. 2A refers to arms, not guns. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #173

You are correct. Jenoch Aug 2012 #203

Registering and not participating is a common ploy of trolls. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #204

My attention Jenoch Aug 2012 #205

Is this desirable? alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #117

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #158

Who needs a wireless telephone? Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #19

One reason to maintain Status Quo Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #29

I sure I hope that'd be a comfort if I was ever defending against a home invasion. Adrahil Aug 2012 #72

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #159

LOL HALO141 Aug 2012 #164

Nope bongbong Aug 2012 #178

Your opinion. HALO141 Aug 2012 #184

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #186

LOL HALO141 Aug 2012 #189

rolling down the river bongbong Aug 2012 #190

I simply drew a conclusion HALO141 Aug 2012 #191

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #193

I think what you meant to say is HALO141 Aug 2012 #195

Would youmind to terribly if I were to steal that (properly credited of course) every now& Then?NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #194

Be my guest. n/t HALO141 Aug 2012 #196

Capacity limits didn't do anything? Peepsite Aug 2012 #35

Eventually is an awfully big word Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #37

I think most if not all that have called for a new AWB rl6214 Aug 2012 #40

Long enough for the feed lips to give out maybe... Peepsite Aug 2012 #74

If the purpose of the magazine capacity limit HALO141 Aug 2012 #165

Remember, both of those hi-cap mags jammed. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #45

in VT's case, gejohnston Aug 2012 #46

The guns that police officers carry Jenoch Aug 2012 #51

their intel knew it was one guy with a couple of pistols gejohnston Aug 2012 #58

Police doctrine now calls for the first armed responder to rush the shooter. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #93

Do you have a link Jenoch Aug 2012 #112

Sorry. It has been over a year since I read it so I just now googled. Here is what I found. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #119

With respect... HALO141 Aug 2012 #171

I would like to see a link Jenoch Aug 2012 #111

But it might be just a little harder Peepsite Aug 2012 #76

not big penis gejohnston Aug 2012 #77

Not an anti, multi gun owner here. Peepsite Aug 2012 #80

Military doesn't use those for a reason gejohnston Aug 2012 #81

What is your opinion on Jenoch Aug 2012 #167

Depends Peepsite Aug 2012 #181

If those two had used standard capacity Jenoch Aug 2012 #50

Hey, be glad he was using thaty crappy 100 round magazine... Adrahil Aug 2012 #69

Many AR owners are wary of a new capacity ban... Adrahil Aug 2012 #73

While you'd probably call such magazine hoarders "fine law-abiding gun owners," I'd characterize Hoyt Aug 2012 #101

Project much? nt rDigital Aug 2012 #114

who said they want to sell them? Adrahil Aug 2012 #121

Probably true. Non-law-abiding gun cultists will always push envelope of spirit of law, or outright Hoyt Aug 2012 #122

I have always wondered Jenoch Aug 2012 #123

If you have a gun stolen, and don't report it, you pay. That's 1. Hoyt Aug 2012 #124

In other words, HALO141 Aug 2012 #176

"Persecution?" Ha, you strap a gun on to walk down the street prepared to execute someone if you Hoyt Aug 2012 #183

I don't imagine anything. HALO141 Aug 2012 #188

Semiauto handguns, semiauto rifles - what do they have in common? The resale of both will be banned leveymg Aug 2012 #130

for now gejohnston Aug 2012 #131

Oh, I'm sure there will be some exceptions to the general rule. But banning resale of semiautos is leveymg Aug 2012 #132

You do get that most of the country doesn't agree with you right? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #134

it won't diminish the chance of anything gejohnston Aug 2012 #135

How is banning the Jenoch Aug 2012 #170

And they will HALO141 Aug 2012 #179

Well all I can say to that is 'Molon Labe" NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #133

You're missing the point - nobody will come and take them. You just won't be able to legally resell leveymg Aug 2012 #138

correction gejohnston Aug 2012 #140

Need more coffee. I still have a right to unlimited caffeine, and need more . . . leveymg Aug 2012 #143

Since resale cannot be monitored and tracked hack89 Aug 2012 #137

You can't monitor and track sales of heroin, but you can make it illegal. leveymg Aug 2012 #139

"I think pretty much the same way they do other controlled substances." TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #141

You should know, something like this seems to work in the rest of the western world. leveymg Aug 2012 #144

not really, gejohnston Aug 2012 #145

Different problems, certainly. They have far fewer per-capita firearms killings. leveymg Aug 2012 #147

they don't have the gang problem gejohnston Aug 2012 #149

MEGA-HILARIOUS bongbong Aug 2012 #160

learn to read gejohnston Aug 2012 #168

LOL LOL LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #180

So your basic assumption is that law abiding citizens are the root cause of gun violence hack89 Aug 2012 #142

As I said, if you're law-abiding, keep your semiauto. Just don't try to resell it. leveymg Aug 2012 #146

Too bad the federal government can't regulate intrastate sales. hack89 Aug 2012 #150

What other constitutional rights should the government be allowed to "track and monitor"? hack89 Aug 2012 #152

I want a few more boxes of ammo than I have right now at any given time. Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #148

Who is Jenoch Aug 2012 #169

See, there probably is common ground on this pipoman Aug 2012 #13

ATF provides annual data on gun trace results petronius Aug 2012 #28

Wow, that's surprising to me.. pipoman Aug 2012 #68

I'm pretty sure... Adrahil Aug 2012 #70

And this has absolutely nothing to do with my post...eom pipoman Aug 2012 #89

It might have been until NRA and right wingers passed SYG laws and such. Hoyt Aug 2012 #102

"...so many "straw purchases" and so few prosecutions." Jenoch Aug 2012 #172

No, I'm referring to straw purchases.. pipoman Aug 2012 #197

Are you saying Jenoch Aug 2012 #198

No, I'm saying you are the only one talking about fast and furious.. pipoman Aug 2012 #200

I was making a point Jenoch Aug 2012 #201

No he wasn't pipoman Aug 2012 #202

I reject both of those. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #21

One could make the minimum length of the barrel for any semi-auto 20" Kaleva Aug 2012 #6

A ban on 20+ magazines would have had zero effect Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #9

How about a restriction on barrel length like I suggested? Kaleva Aug 2012 #12

No real way to know Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #32

The only law that could cover all instances of gun crime would be a complete ban on all guns Kaleva Aug 2012 #174

So, mail a letter EDIT TO /EDIT your elected Representatives, outlining your proposed laws Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #175

There's already a minimum barrel length requirement in the law Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #11

True. I'm suggesting making that minimum to 20" for all semi-automatics Kaleva Aug 2012 #14

Well why do you feel 4 inches makes a big enough difference to warrant a new law? Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #15

An extra 4 inches for a semi-auto handgun? Kaleva Aug 2012 #20

Why would you want to increase minimum barrel rDigital Aug 2012 #23

Is there any good reason to oppose such a thing? Kaleva Aug 2012 #24

You need to answer my question. : ) rDigital Aug 2012 #26

How is this a restriction on your inalienable rights? Kaleva Aug 2012 #47

Huh? Jenoch Aug 2012 #53

You forgot the sarcasm tag my friend. : ). nt rDigital Aug 2012 #54

How would it be an infringement on your rights? Kaleva Aug 2012 #59

It's an infringement, taking away options or making them rDigital Aug 2012 #61

But the ability to exercise one's gun rights is already limited by a person's financial status. Kaleva Aug 2012 #64

Most Bad Guys do not have a "weapon of choice". ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #67

Or steal. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #87

I'll have to double check but i think there's one report that said the semi-auto handgun... Kaleva Aug 2012 #127

At that level, there are only two types of handguns: ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #156

Pistols. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #125

Yes, there are good reasons. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #36

If one accepts the arguement that semi-automatics are the weapon of choice for bad guys... Kaleva Aug 2012 #48

The Bad Guys prefer semi-autos for the exact same reasons the Good Guys prefer them. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #66

Ideally, if I were faced with an intruder in my house I would want to use my AR-15... aikoaiko Aug 2012 #38

I've got a 7" AR pistol... rl6214 Aug 2012 #42

It's my opinion that a handgun would be a better choice. Kaleva Aug 2012 #49

So you're excluding semi-auto handguns? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #78

As I've repeatadly said, what I propose doesn't ban semi-auto handguns. Kaleva Aug 2012 #82

Get something with a bullpup design. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #94

Unless you're talking about pistols Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #16

And the people willing Jenoch Aug 2012 #18

More Talking Points, as expected bongbong Aug 2012 #161

Do you really expect criminals to obey that law? GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #22

How would it be a pain in the ass for legal gun owners? Kaleva Aug 2012 #25

So then you do want to ban semi automatic handguns? nt Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #31

Ok, so in 200 years when all the semi automatic hand guns Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #33

I would say that prices would jump right off the bat. Kaleva Aug 2012 #43

Given that most crime guns are stolen how is price a factor? NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #57

Look at the examples you provided in an earlier post of yours. Kaleva Aug 2012 #60

So, you want to ban 75% of the handguns on the planet for 5 mass shootings? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #63

They won't be banned. Once can still own and buy such. Kaleva Aug 2012 #65

Revolvers are semi-auto too. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #79

Some seem to think that there is a difference. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #85

You are kidding, right? ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #104

what's the definition of semi-auto then? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #106

You have the correct definition of semi-auto. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #108

Double action Jenoch Aug 2012 #113

Revolvers really do not work that way. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #120

Without registration Peepsite Aug 2012 #86

that is what ATF statistics suggest gejohnston Aug 2012 #88

The same ATF Peepsite Aug 2012 #98

DOJ /FBI stats NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #91

Maybe law abiding citizens whose guns are being stolen would buy fewer of them... Kaleva Aug 2012 #136

The supreme court has already ruled that such cost shennanigans amount to a de-facto ban. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #126

The Hughes Amendment to the FOPA still stands. Kaleva Aug 2012 #128

For now. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #129

But the ban on any gun that can fire more then 7 rounds before reloading remains Kaleva Aug 2012 #151

All that requires is a legal challenge. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #153

It's been challenged and the Appeals Court has upheld it. Kaleva Aug 2012 #154

Better article. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #155

NRA getting desperate, now repeating Talking Points like a skipping record bongbong Aug 2012 #162

Calling something a "talking point" is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #185

Wrong again bongbong Aug 2012 #187

He's essentially calling for a ban on all semi automatic hand guns NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #30

Why a 20" barrel? rl6214 Aug 2012 #41

That's why select fire weapons are so expensive. Kaleva Aug 2012 #44

The previous "assault weapons" ban did not address select-fire weapons in any way. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #52

Your second paragraph is what I was getting at. Kaleva Aug 2012 #62

The AWB had very little effect on gun prices. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #95

The pre-ban AR-15, along with others, did go up in price Kaleva Aug 2012 #97

You missed the point. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #99

And you are missing the point I'm making Kaleva Aug 2012 #100

Why do you feel Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #103

What you are wanting is a ban on semi-auto hanguns. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #105

What I want and what I think would actually be effective (if passed) are two different things Kaleva Aug 2012 #107

The unanswered question: What is the problem that the 20 inch barrel length ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #109

Inquiring minds want to know. nt : ) rDigital Aug 2012 #116

That's mighty big of you alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #118

No, that's not why select fire are so expensive, select fire had nothing rl6214 Aug 2012 #55

NO.... Adrahil Aug 2012 #71

HUH? Because "The Joker" Used One For Iggy Aug 2012 #27

Your post doesn't make sense Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #34

Uhhhhhhhhh Iggy Aug 2012 #90

NRA talking points Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #92

Poor widdle "tough-guy" gun-nuts bongbong Aug 2012 #163

Not to be a prick but I ignore you most of the time so if you're expecting some type of response Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #177

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #182

I read everything he puts up. And laugh. nt rrneck Aug 2012 #199

Magazine only take one second to change. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #96

Because semi-auto rifles are scary black and no one should have rl6214 Aug 2012 #39

Because the ulitimate goal of many gun control suppporters is the ban all firearms. ... spin Aug 2012 #56

Bingo! The "scary" ones must go first rDigital Aug 2012 #115

Exactly 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #192