Gun Control & RKBA

hack89

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152. What other constitutional rights should the government be allowed to "track and monitor"?

Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:19 AM

Aug 2012

As long as you are law abiding, why should you be concerned?

You realize your scheme will never pass Constitutional muster.

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If handguns are the problem, why is a semi-auto rifle ban the solution? [View all] Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 OP

OK good point. I think license and regulation of all semi-auto weapons Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #1

Nope, the pro restriction crowd blew it on registration Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #2

you just changed the subject. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #3

no. he didn't. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2012 #4

No, you offered a proposal I offered a counter proposal Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #5

How has that been shown to be a waste of time? Kaleva Aug 2012 #7

Please show me a cite of any crime where limited magazine capacity Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #8

Your question supports the position that they are not needed for home or self defense. Kaleva Aug 2012 #10

What does 'need' Jenoch Aug 2012 #17

What I propose does not restrict your right to keep and bear arms Kaleva Aug 2012 #75

I did not mention Jenoch Aug 2012 #83

The people (voters) and those who the peeple elect make such decisions. Kaleva Aug 2012 #84

What the hell are you talking about? Jenoch Aug 2012 #110

Are convicted felons not people too? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #157

Huh? Jenoch Aug 2012 #166

Quite simple. 2A refers to arms, not guns. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #173

You are correct. Jenoch Aug 2012 #203

Registering and not participating is a common ploy of trolls. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #204

My attention Jenoch Aug 2012 #205

Is this desirable? alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #117

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #158

Who needs a wireless telephone? Glaug-Eldare Aug 2012 #19

One reason to maintain Status Quo Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #29

I sure I hope that'd be a comfort if I was ever defending against a home invasion. Adrahil Aug 2012 #72

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #159

LOL HALO141 Aug 2012 #164

Nope bongbong Aug 2012 #178

Your opinion. HALO141 Aug 2012 #184

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #186

LOL HALO141 Aug 2012 #189

rolling down the river bongbong Aug 2012 #190

I simply drew a conclusion HALO141 Aug 2012 #191

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #193

I think what you meant to say is HALO141 Aug 2012 #195

Would youmind to terribly if I were to steal that (properly credited of course) every now& Then?NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #194

Be my guest. n/t HALO141 Aug 2012 #196

Capacity limits didn't do anything? Peepsite Aug 2012 #35

Eventually is an awfully big word Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #37

I think most if not all that have called for a new AWB rl6214 Aug 2012 #40

Long enough for the feed lips to give out maybe... Peepsite Aug 2012 #74

If the purpose of the magazine capacity limit HALO141 Aug 2012 #165

Remember, both of those hi-cap mags jammed. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #45

in VT's case, gejohnston Aug 2012 #46

The guns that police officers carry Jenoch Aug 2012 #51

their intel knew it was one guy with a couple of pistols gejohnston Aug 2012 #58

Police doctrine now calls for the first armed responder to rush the shooter. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #93

Do you have a link Jenoch Aug 2012 #112

Sorry. It has been over a year since I read it so I just now googled. Here is what I found. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #119

With respect... HALO141 Aug 2012 #171

I would like to see a link Jenoch Aug 2012 #111

But it might be just a little harder Peepsite Aug 2012 #76

not big penis gejohnston Aug 2012 #77

Not an anti, multi gun owner here. Peepsite Aug 2012 #80

Military doesn't use those for a reason gejohnston Aug 2012 #81

What is your opinion on Jenoch Aug 2012 #167

Depends Peepsite Aug 2012 #181

If those two had used standard capacity Jenoch Aug 2012 #50

Hey, be glad he was using thaty crappy 100 round magazine... Adrahil Aug 2012 #69

Many AR owners are wary of a new capacity ban... Adrahil Aug 2012 #73

While you'd probably call such magazine hoarders "fine law-abiding gun owners," I'd characterize Hoyt Aug 2012 #101

Project much? nt rDigital Aug 2012 #114

who said they want to sell them? Adrahil Aug 2012 #121

Probably true. Non-law-abiding gun cultists will always push envelope of spirit of law, or outright Hoyt Aug 2012 #122

I have always wondered Jenoch Aug 2012 #123

If you have a gun stolen, and don't report it, you pay. That's 1. Hoyt Aug 2012 #124

In other words, HALO141 Aug 2012 #176

"Persecution?" Ha, you strap a gun on to walk down the street prepared to execute someone if you Hoyt Aug 2012 #183

I don't imagine anything. HALO141 Aug 2012 #188

Semiauto handguns, semiauto rifles - what do they have in common? The resale of both will be banned leveymg Aug 2012 #130

for now gejohnston Aug 2012 #131

Oh, I'm sure there will be some exceptions to the general rule. But banning resale of semiautos is leveymg Aug 2012 #132

You do get that most of the country doesn't agree with you right? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #134

it won't diminish the chance of anything gejohnston Aug 2012 #135

How is banning the Jenoch Aug 2012 #170

And they will HALO141 Aug 2012 #179

Well all I can say to that is 'Molon Labe" NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #133

You're missing the point - nobody will come and take them. You just won't be able to legally resell leveymg Aug 2012 #138

correction gejohnston Aug 2012 #140

Need more coffee. I still have a right to unlimited caffeine, and need more . . . leveymg Aug 2012 #143

Since resale cannot be monitored and tracked hack89 Aug 2012 #137

You can't monitor and track sales of heroin, but you can make it illegal. leveymg Aug 2012 #139

"I think pretty much the same way they do other controlled substances." TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #141

You should know, something like this seems to work in the rest of the western world. leveymg Aug 2012 #144

not really, gejohnston Aug 2012 #145

Different problems, certainly. They have far fewer per-capita firearms killings. leveymg Aug 2012 #147

they don't have the gang problem gejohnston Aug 2012 #149

MEGA-HILARIOUS bongbong Aug 2012 #160

learn to read gejohnston Aug 2012 #168

LOL LOL LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #180

So your basic assumption is that law abiding citizens are the root cause of gun violence hack89 Aug 2012 #142

As I said, if you're law-abiding, keep your semiauto. Just don't try to resell it. leveymg Aug 2012 #146

Too bad the federal government can't regulate intrastate sales. hack89 Aug 2012 #150

What other constitutional rights should the government be allowed to "track and monitor"? hack89 Aug 2012 #152

I want a few more boxes of ammo than I have right now at any given time. Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #148

Who is Jenoch Aug 2012 #169

See, there probably is common ground on this pipoman Aug 2012 #13

ATF provides annual data on gun trace results petronius Aug 2012 #28

Wow, that's surprising to me.. pipoman Aug 2012 #68

I'm pretty sure... Adrahil Aug 2012 #70

And this has absolutely nothing to do with my post...eom pipoman Aug 2012 #89

It might have been until NRA and right wingers passed SYG laws and such. Hoyt Aug 2012 #102

"...so many "straw purchases" and so few prosecutions." Jenoch Aug 2012 #172

No, I'm referring to straw purchases.. pipoman Aug 2012 #197

Are you saying Jenoch Aug 2012 #198

No, I'm saying you are the only one talking about fast and furious.. pipoman Aug 2012 #200

I was making a point Jenoch Aug 2012 #201

No he wasn't pipoman Aug 2012 #202

I reject both of those. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #21

One could make the minimum length of the barrel for any semi-auto 20" Kaleva Aug 2012 #6

A ban on 20+ magazines would have had zero effect Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #9

How about a restriction on barrel length like I suggested? Kaleva Aug 2012 #12

No real way to know Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #32

The only law that could cover all instances of gun crime would be a complete ban on all guns Kaleva Aug 2012 #174

So, mail a letter EDIT TO /EDIT your elected Representatives, outlining your proposed laws Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #175

There's already a minimum barrel length requirement in the law Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #11

True. I'm suggesting making that minimum to 20" for all semi-automatics Kaleva Aug 2012 #14

Well why do you feel 4 inches makes a big enough difference to warrant a new law? Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #15

An extra 4 inches for a semi-auto handgun? Kaleva Aug 2012 #20

Why would you want to increase minimum barrel rDigital Aug 2012 #23

Is there any good reason to oppose such a thing? Kaleva Aug 2012 #24

You need to answer my question. : ) rDigital Aug 2012 #26

How is this a restriction on your inalienable rights? Kaleva Aug 2012 #47

Huh? Jenoch Aug 2012 #53

You forgot the sarcasm tag my friend. : ). nt rDigital Aug 2012 #54

How would it be an infringement on your rights? Kaleva Aug 2012 #59

It's an infringement, taking away options or making them rDigital Aug 2012 #61

But the ability to exercise one's gun rights is already limited by a person's financial status. Kaleva Aug 2012 #64

Most Bad Guys do not have a "weapon of choice". ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #67

Or steal. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #87

I'll have to double check but i think there's one report that said the semi-auto handgun... Kaleva Aug 2012 #127

At that level, there are only two types of handguns: ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #156

Pistols. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #125

Yes, there are good reasons. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #36

If one accepts the arguement that semi-automatics are the weapon of choice for bad guys... Kaleva Aug 2012 #48

The Bad Guys prefer semi-autos for the exact same reasons the Good Guys prefer them. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #66

Ideally, if I were faced with an intruder in my house I would want to use my AR-15... aikoaiko Aug 2012 #38

I've got a 7" AR pistol... rl6214 Aug 2012 #42

It's my opinion that a handgun would be a better choice. Kaleva Aug 2012 #49

So you're excluding semi-auto handguns? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #78

As I've repeatadly said, what I propose doesn't ban semi-auto handguns. Kaleva Aug 2012 #82

Get something with a bullpup design. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #94

Unless you're talking about pistols Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #16

And the people willing Jenoch Aug 2012 #18

More Talking Points, as expected bongbong Aug 2012 #161

Do you really expect criminals to obey that law? GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #22

How would it be a pain in the ass for legal gun owners? Kaleva Aug 2012 #25

So then you do want to ban semi automatic handguns? nt Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #31

Ok, so in 200 years when all the semi automatic hand guns Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #33

I would say that prices would jump right off the bat. Kaleva Aug 2012 #43

Given that most crime guns are stolen how is price a factor? NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #57

Look at the examples you provided in an earlier post of yours. Kaleva Aug 2012 #60

So, you want to ban 75% of the handguns on the planet for 5 mass shootings? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #63

They won't be banned. Once can still own and buy such. Kaleva Aug 2012 #65

Revolvers are semi-auto too. Union Scribe Aug 2012 #79

Some seem to think that there is a difference. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #85

You are kidding, right? ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #104

what's the definition of semi-auto then? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #106

You have the correct definition of semi-auto. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #108

Double action Jenoch Aug 2012 #113

Revolvers really do not work that way. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #120

Without registration Peepsite Aug 2012 #86

that is what ATF statistics suggest gejohnston Aug 2012 #88

The same ATF Peepsite Aug 2012 #98

DOJ /FBI stats NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #91

Maybe law abiding citizens whose guns are being stolen would buy fewer of them... Kaleva Aug 2012 #136

The supreme court has already ruled that such cost shennanigans amount to a de-facto ban. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #126

The Hughes Amendment to the FOPA still stands. Kaleva Aug 2012 #128

For now. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #129

But the ban on any gun that can fire more then 7 rounds before reloading remains Kaleva Aug 2012 #151

All that requires is a legal challenge. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #153

It's been challenged and the Appeals Court has upheld it. Kaleva Aug 2012 #154

Better article. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #155

NRA getting desperate, now repeating Talking Points like a skipping record bongbong Aug 2012 #162

Calling something a "talking point" is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #185

Wrong again bongbong Aug 2012 #187

He's essentially calling for a ban on all semi automatic hand guns NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #30

Why a 20" barrel? rl6214 Aug 2012 #41

That's why select fire weapons are so expensive. Kaleva Aug 2012 #44

The previous "assault weapons" ban did not address select-fire weapons in any way. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #52

Your second paragraph is what I was getting at. Kaleva Aug 2012 #62

The AWB had very little effect on gun prices. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #95

The pre-ban AR-15, along with others, did go up in price Kaleva Aug 2012 #97

You missed the point. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #99

And you are missing the point I'm making Kaleva Aug 2012 #100

Why do you feel Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #103

What you are wanting is a ban on semi-auto hanguns. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #105

What I want and what I think would actually be effective (if passed) are two different things Kaleva Aug 2012 #107

The unanswered question: What is the problem that the 20 inch barrel length ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #109

Inquiring minds want to know. nt : ) rDigital Aug 2012 #116

That's mighty big of you alabama_for_obama Aug 2012 #118

No, that's not why select fire are so expensive, select fire had nothing rl6214 Aug 2012 #55

NO.... Adrahil Aug 2012 #71

HUH? Because "The Joker" Used One For Iggy Aug 2012 #27

Your post doesn't make sense Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #34

Uhhhhhhhhh Iggy Aug 2012 #90

NRA talking points Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #92

Poor widdle "tough-guy" gun-nuts bongbong Aug 2012 #163

Not to be a prick but I ignore you most of the time so if you're expecting some type of response Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #177

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #182

I read everything he puts up. And laugh. nt rrneck Aug 2012 #199

Magazine only take one second to change. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #96

Because semi-auto rifles are scary black and no one should have rl6214 Aug 2012 #39

Because the ulitimate goal of many gun control suppporters is the ban all firearms. ... spin Aug 2012 #56

Bingo! The "scary" ones must go first rDigital Aug 2012 #115

Exactly 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #192