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In reply to the discussion: George Zimmerman's attorneys won't use "stand your ground" defense [View all]Last edited Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:55 PM - Edit history (1)
Still, whether the majority of the additional homicides are justifiable or not is of secondary importance. Let's assume that SYG caused an increase in 300 justifiable homicides and 200 murders. That would still be bad -- it would mean 200 additional innocent lives lost.
That's like balancing the books while ignoring accounts receivable. As an intentionally over-the-top example, if you had taken out the top 1,000 nazis early in Hitler's career you would have increased the German homicide rate. And that would have been a bad thing using your analysis.
Your assumption that ending the criminal careers of 300 violent criminals saves no lives is not nearly as bad as ignoring the damage of the top 1,000 nazis. But is is just as illegitimate in principle.
Furthermore, you assume that the 200 other lives are innocent. That is a perfectly legitimate assumption in a court of law, but not in a cost benefit analysis. Surely some of the other claimed attacks actually happened, they just didn't justify a potentially lethal defense. And surely some of those homicides also stopped violent criminal careers.
Let me be perfectly clear. I do not countenance unjustified potentially lethal defenses. But if you are going to do a cost/benefit analysis, you have to at least make a good-faith effort to calculate the benefits. All of them.
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It wasn't due to stand your ground, it was due to incompetence or political intrigue.
TPaine7
Aug 2012
#5
Nobody is surprised that you can't tell the difference between science and talking points.
DanTex
Aug 2012
#29
Nobody is surprised that you pretend to tell the difference to make yourself feel good.
gejohnston
Aug 2012
#30
I not only empathized the important part of the conclusion but I underlined it ...
spin
Aug 2012
#41
If the numbers were right in the report then why did the authors use weasel words ...
spin
Aug 2012
#52
I think he could get around that. The dispatcher's suggestion does not carry the force of law.
TPaine7
Aug 2012
#33
It's already been used. Zman initially walked and would have remained uncharged without protests.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#47
Yes it did. Besides, you gun cultists will always claim they felt threatened by unarmed teenager --
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#49
Uncle Sam also promised me that I would have free medical care for the rest of my life ...
spin
Aug 2012
#67
Spin, it must be tough going through life -- with your gun -- thinking of ways to distrust people.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#59