Gun Control & RKBA

Hoyt

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47. Another gun cultist who misuses statistics. Compare those with a CCW to those who qualify,

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 04:26 PM

Aug 2012

but choose not to walk around in public with a gun or two strapped to their bodies. See what the difference is then.

Actually, I'm not against all guns. I do oppose most public toting and those who can't control their habit and buy/accumulate far too many guns and are attracted to guns specifically marketed to appeal to gun cultists' baser instincts. I'm also opposed to bigots and anti-government types who arm up. Finally, I'm really opposed to those who profit from guns, and things related to them.

Hope that helps orient you to my beliefs (just another person opposed to arming up of society) since you appear new here.

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911 call, woman begs for her life, found murdered. [View all] GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 OP

Did I read that last paragraph correctly? Matt_in_STL Aug 2012 #1

NO. You obviously did not read the last paragraph correctly. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #3

Explain this to me then Matt_in_STL Aug 2012 #4

My sister had an abusive ex. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #5

Is there any reason why she wasn't arrested for assault with a deadly weapon? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #28

"Using a firearm to control future actions" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #34

Interesting and imaginative response. But a false equivalency. No honest store owner would pull a AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #39

Did she pull a gun to get future payments or to just get her attacker to stop attacking? Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #43

Agreed, bragging is not helpful. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #46

Abusive ex? You call that bragging? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #88

Probably because it might have been self defense at the time. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #41

Do you understand "restraining order"? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #87

restraining order = legal AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #108

which apparently happened only after he gejohnston Aug 2012 #109

"like any other bully"? IMO, many bullies don't cower when faced with active resistence. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #111

restraining order = ineffective piece of paper Jenoch Aug 2012 #110

Try asking an intelligent question rather than making poor assumptions. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #112

The notion of glee or delight is your warped view of the event. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #113

No one has defended an abuser. Not me. Not anyone. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #115

Why is it that other people got it and you didn't? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #116

. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #117

..._.. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #118

Restraining orders are not worth the paper they are written on... virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #29

Amen !!! n/t DWC Aug 2012 #102

Explain it to you? OK, let's take it through the steps. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #8

Blame the muderer, but she is still dead. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #10

excellent point .... littlewolf Aug 2012 #93

I don't think it is meant as blame... TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #13

Why are the anti-gun advocates opposed to self-defense? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #2

The problem was not her lack of gun. TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #6

"bloody well"; "Civilisation" (sic); "bloody first"? Are you a Brit? Or otherwise from the UK? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #9

Is that what you got out of that post? I think you should read it a few more times, if necessary. Hoyt Aug 2012 #11

How are your anti-gun rants going? Do you want to undermine the election of Democrats? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #14

There are some in the gun culture that will do anything to keep their precious lethal toys. Hoyt Aug 2012 #16

(1) Firearms are not "toys." AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #18

You guys sure whine about posts to restrict your access and use of lethal toys (aka, precious guns). Hoyt Aug 2012 #19

"whine"? Ironically, that describes your action. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #20

Yes, firearms are lethal toys to the gun culture. They literally cling to them. Hoyt Aug 2012 #24

Yes, your word "whine" describes your actions. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #25

We should offer him some cheese...to go with that whine... virginia mountainman Aug 2012 #30

Hoyt is going to think that you responded directly to him. Yes, let's offer him some cheese. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #31

I could see why an armed robber would have a problem with the "gun-culture" 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #36

You act like gun owners are the most despicable people... TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #40

Another gun cultist who misuses statistics. Compare those with a CCW to those who qualify, Hoyt Aug 2012 #47

Can you have a discussion without ad hominem? TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #49

I'm against carrying in public period. BTW, it's illegal to carry a sword in public where I live, Hoyt Aug 2012 #50

So what should citizens do, in your opinion TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #51

Over 280 million citizens seem to do fine without a gun in their pants. Try it. Hoyt Aug 2012 #52

I'm not asking what they should do when things go well TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #53

Live in fear, then. I've done my best in little time you've been here, I can't help you anymore. Hoyt Aug 2012 #54

Why can't you answer the question? TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #56

Hoyt has previously posted that he is a former robber. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #69

If I were a former robber, I would have only robbed those with a gun. Hoyt Aug 2012 #70

That would only work until you got shot. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #76

Never started. Read my earlier post in context, if you can. Hoyt Aug 2012 #82

There is nothing in the context that would change the meaning of what you posted. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #86

"Plus, you'd actually do society a favor... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #79

Hoyt's posts are usually good for comic relief. ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #81

If I didn't know better... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #85

All that would do Jenoch Aug 2012 #104

Irrelevant. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #94

When you are posting about CCWers being more law-abiding, you should be truthful. Hoyt Aug 2012 #96

Huh? Jenoch Aug 2012 #97

Because the poster is trying to make a point that is BS. Hoyt Aug 2012 #98

So in place of legitimate statistics you put forth "I think" as a counter-argument 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #99

In Minnesota, the only way to Jenoch Aug 2012 #103

You are leaving out the innocent lives saved by CHL holders. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #100

Why should I add the illegal carriers to the legal ones? GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #101

Is that the best you can do? ridicule me, because I don't spell Merkin? TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #89

No one ridiculed you. But you are an Aussie, and this site is for the election of more Democrats. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #107

I've never pretended to be anything other than myself. TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #121

Where did the judge and the cops think that? GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #15

In failing to act decisively over THREE years of escalating violence. TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #91

true, but gejohnston Aug 2012 #92

And I'll call BS on that. How many women end up behind bars... TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #105

I don't have the slightest clue gejohnston Aug 2012 #106

Actually considering that DV 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #21

Well at least she died without being rude, polluting society or a bad habit. ileus Aug 2012 #7

As you guys like to say, "existing" laws allowed her to buy a gun. She chose not to. Clearly police Hoyt Aug 2012 #12

The ex-husband was arrested and jailed. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #17

Perhaps she was influenced by the rantings of the anti-gun cult. 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #22

Clearly... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #23

You'll never rDigital Aug 2012 #72

There have been a handful... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2012 #77

A gun "may" have saved her Politicalboi Aug 2012 #26

How long does it take to kill someone? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #37

Whether a faster response might have save her I don't know, but the police petronius Aug 2012 #44

You're an even sicker puppy than I originally imagined: *All* you can take away from this tragedy villager Aug 2012 #27

You managed to turn this into an ad hominem attack? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #32

What's made up -- as ever -- is your response. Read the last paragraph of the OP. villager Aug 2012 #33

Of course it never occurred to you that "nary a word" of empathy Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #35

The last paragraph from the OP does not justify an ad hominem attack. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #38

Cut the gun-relgionists some slack bongbong Aug 2012 #42

If you don't think some people Jenoch Aug 2012 #45

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #48

Yes, I carry concealed at church also. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #55

Good bongbong Aug 2012 #60

Aware, not afraid. Prepared, not paranoid. You have much to learn young padawan. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #73

OK bongbong Aug 2012 #80

Are you glad this woman was disarmed? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #57

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #61

No, I just thought, briefly 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #62

LOL bongbong Aug 2012 #65

What is actually hilarious is the fact that you're laughing Simo 1939_1940 Aug 2012 #90

Where do you think baddies are more likely to go? TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #58

Hilarity reigns bongbong Aug 2012 #63

If you want to have a real discussion TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #66

You'll get a "LOL" and a smiley face in response 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #67

LOL TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #68

LOL rDigital Aug 2012 #74

Real discussion? From someone who thinks that the ad nauseum repetition of the term "gun religionist Common Sense Party Aug 2012 #83

You never know... TruthAnalyzed Aug 2012 #84

being a Druid, gejohnston Aug 2012 #59

Well, bongbong Aug 2012 #64

You chose the wrong example Jenoch Aug 2012 #71

She's still dead. Remmah2 Aug 2012 #95

Sounds like she had at least 3 years to get herself a firearm. Atypical Liberal Aug 2012 #75

I respect her right to her choice, but not the choice itself. N/T GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #78

UPDATE: Dallas to overhaul 911 system. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #114

Dial 911 and die. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #119

There is a book by that title. GreenStormCloud Aug 2012 #120