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Showing Original Post only (View all)America's gun laws: madness sanctioned by history [View all]
Gun ownership in the United States is, of course, protected by the Second Amendment to the Constitution, enacted in 1791 as part of the so-called Bill of Rights.
The relevant clause reads in its entirety: A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
The Founders, who had recently come through the War of Independence, were understandably anxious to defend the infant republic against all comers. They did not intend that, as in the Wild West, citizens should be ready to answer any slight with an armed confrontation that ended with one or more of the participants lying dead in the street. Nor unlike the U.S. gun lobby were they suggesting that the entire audience at the cinema in Aurora should have been packing and if they were, then they must surely have anticipated that James Holmes would have opened proceedings with a [legally held] bazooka or even a chain gun mounted on his Hummer.
It astonishes me that so many Americans see the Second Amendment as giving them carte blanche to walk the streets with an arsenal more appropriate to Special Forces in the field than peace-loving, law-abiding citizens in their own country. But they do. To them, the occasional murderous rampage that kills their loved ones (or preferably someone elses loved ones) is the price they pay for freedom. Its too bad, but, hey, waddygonnado?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/walterellis/100173224/americas-gun-laws-madness-sanctioned-by-history/
The relevant clause reads in its entirety: A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
The Founders, who had recently come through the War of Independence, were understandably anxious to defend the infant republic against all comers. They did not intend that, as in the Wild West, citizens should be ready to answer any slight with an armed confrontation that ended with one or more of the participants lying dead in the street. Nor unlike the U.S. gun lobby were they suggesting that the entire audience at the cinema in Aurora should have been packing and if they were, then they must surely have anticipated that James Holmes would have opened proceedings with a [legally held] bazooka or even a chain gun mounted on his Hummer.
It astonishes me that so many Americans see the Second Amendment as giving them carte blanche to walk the streets with an arsenal more appropriate to Special Forces in the field than peace-loving, law-abiding citizens in their own country. But they do. To them, the occasional murderous rampage that kills their loved ones (or preferably someone elses loved ones) is the price they pay for freedom. Its too bad, but, hey, waddygonnado?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/walterellis/100173224/americas-gun-laws-madness-sanctioned-by-history/
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Unfortunately for you, hyperbole and non-factual assertions are meaningless. n/t
PavePusher
Aug 2012
#13
Guns certainly enable violence, and help cowards intimidate others (Zimmerman as example).
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#6
Actually, look at southern states -- they have highest rates of gun ownership AND violent crime.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#44
And western states have the highest rate of gun ownership and lowest rates of crime
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#49
Your citation completely refutes your claim. Read the dang thing before offering it as "proof."
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#50
How does "no direct causal relationship" refute my claims when I'm claiming that
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#51
Your post #11 said states with higher rates of gun ownership don't have higher rates violent crime.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#52
My theory is guns in public - snd the crud that go with them - are bad for society.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#55
Don't have time now to splain everything to you. What do guns in your pants contribute to society?
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#59
"Scientific Method" is seldom applicable to politics and issues impacting society's future.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#63
I guess some things just don't have to be studied for you to "know" they're true
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#64
Correct, I don't need a study to tell me "throwing virgins in volcano does not appease gods."
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#65
I live in the "Wild West", I have my whole life, from Wichita to Midland to Denver.
Ashgrey77
Aug 2012
#33
Gun carriers aren't living or perpetuating any myth. Nor are they extremists.
NewMoonTherian
Aug 2012
#37
Not all gun carriers are extremists, but indiscriminate carrying is extreme behavior.
Starboard Tack
Aug 2012
#39
Cowboys had enough sense to require folks to turn in their guns before going into a bar.
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#46
Fact is, they didn't go into bars armed --who gives a crud about whether it was cowboys, or elected
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#68
In my view,toting falls right in their with displaying swastikas,, confederate flags,greedy
Hoyt
Aug 2012
#80
Indeed, guns in the hands of an organized military force can be quite dangerous
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#19
"Can you acknowledge the historical fact that civilian gun ownership wasn't a major contributor.."
EX500rider
Aug 2012
#56
Firearms for self defense are indeed a lot like fire extinguishers and spare tires ...
spin
Aug 2012
#75
I think the special forces would be pretty upset if they had to carry
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#10
Anyone can get a gun if they don't mind facing the consequences if caught with it.
Starboard Tack
Aug 2012
#28
Consider murderers who are facing life in prison or possibly the death penalty
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#36
Chances are if you go on a killing spree you'll at least get a wikipedia page
4th law of robotics
Aug 2012
#48
The Brits are concerned? They should be concerned with England and Wales, and the great number
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#77