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In reply to the discussion: Friendly fire shootings show why arming everyone won’t solve gun violence [View all]rDigital
(2,239 posts)1. Debunked
The best-trained police officers can be in error when actually facing an enraged gunman. If even these professionals end up shooting and injuring bystanders outside the Empire State Building, how can private citizens be expected to discern an attacker from innocent people inside a darkened theater?
We've already established in a prior thread that the NYPD is not only poorly trained, but has one of the WORST firearms curriculums of any major police department in the US. They can't even be taught to keep their booger hooks offa tha bang switch, so they give then ridiculously heavy triggers to try and make due with their sub-par training.
http://www.handgunsmag.com/2012/02/16/the-nypd-and-the-kahr-k-9-no-substitute-for-training/
The NYPD is apparently incapable of training its officers to keep their finger off the trigger, so instead of increasing or improving their training (which would cost the department money, as well as be an acknowledgement that the training was the problem), they mandate that the gun companies provide them modified weapons.
I dont dislike Glocks, I love Glocks. I carry a Glock every day, and am in fact wearing one right now as I write this. However, Glocks equipped with the 12-lb New York Plus trigger are an abomination. A few years ago at an editorial roundtable, the InterMedia Outdoors staff had a friendly competition involving a Glock with such a trigger. Everyone involved reported that the pistol was nearly impossible to shoot. G&As Handgun Editor Pat Sweeney (a veteran pistol competitor and Master-Class USPSA shooter) won the contest, but to do so, he used a technique he wouldnt recommend anyone usehe was pulling the trigger with both his index fingers. A 12-lb trigger on a Glock only makes it harder to shoot fast and accurately, thereby increasing the chances that an officers bullet wont end up where he or she intended.
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Friendly fire shootings show why arming everyone won’t solve gun violence [View all]
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
OP
I'd like it better if it didn't shill for a right wing organization on a Democratic message board.
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
#4
Pro-2A Democrats exist and there are millions of us. It's nothing new, get used to it. nt
rDigital
Sep 2012
#6
There's never a time not to carry! A few years back, one of our "pro gun progressives"
apocalypsehow
Sep 2012
#24
If you'd ever taken a defensive firearms class in your life you'd know the joke behind that
rDigital
Sep 2012
#8
Not quite, just laughing you out of the room for your unabashed boastfulness. Pissing contests are
rDigital
Sep 2012
#14
Yep, he was. But, don't you see, intellectual consistency is for OTHER posters. n/t.
apocalypsehow
Sep 2012
#27
We got it-- an amateur gunslinger with proper training and a proper weapon...
TreasonousBastard
Sep 2012
#15
It also shows why the idea that "ONLY THE POLICE SHOULD HAVE GUNS" is a bunch of shit.
Atypical Liberal
Sep 2012
#18
I made a point about this truth on a Yahoo News story using the Gabrielle Giffords situation
johnlucas
Sep 2012
#19
There have been several mass shootings that were stopped by an armed citizen.
GreenStormCloud
Sep 2012
#21
Neither I nor anyone else can tell you whether the presence of one or more armed citizens
tularetom
Sep 2012
#29