Gun Control & RKBA

Decoy of Fenris

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53. After a manner, yes.

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 02:57 PM

Sep 2012

Do I believe in the right to purchase arms for both hunting and personal defense? Yes.

Do I believe it is necessary to have an M60 loaded up and ready to go? Not by a long shot.

I favor strict regulations on magazine capacity, I would prefer regulations on firing speed, and advocate regulation of military-issue weaponry in a registry in addition to background checks and preferably a psychological evaluation on someone attempting to purchase them.

I collect military-grade historical weapons, such as the bolt-action Mosin Nagant, the Walther-line, and most pre-industrial firearms. I, personally, do not feel the need to aquire a semi-automatic assault rifle, but different strokes for different folks, and all that. I may not see the need to own such a weapon, but I will not force my views on any other person.

So you tell me. Am I a "Pro-gunner"?

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Hoyt banned from the gungeon. So much for the impartiality of the group host. [View all] DanTex Sep 2012 OP

People who disagree with you aren't trolls Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #1

You mean, say, people who post links to Glenn Beck's website on a Democratic forum? DanTex Sep 2012 #3

An impartial jury Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #6

Wait, I thought you guys always claimed that most DUers supported the 2nd amendment. DanTex Sep 2012 #9

You can review my posts Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #10

theblaze.com is Glenn Beck's site DanTex Sep 2012 #15

Well I'll plead ignorance to that then. Unless it's labeled I just assume they're news sites nt Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #18

"On a site that is heavily against the 2nd amendment." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #188

although I disagree with banning Hoyt gejohnston Sep 2012 #7

Agreed that he was a troll. Did you know that he is a Canadian who said that he is a former robber? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #80

I read the former robber one gejohnston Sep 2012 #88

This belongs in Meta. leveymg Sep 2012 #2

krispos can lock it if he wants. DanTex Sep 2012 #8

This is a good home for this discussion. Meta is too noisy. rDigital Sep 2012 #66

I think it belongs here. It is group business and precedent for such posts have been set in Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #29

I'm sure he made some objectionable posts? gejohnston Sep 2012 #4

You've accused fellow DUers of bigotry plenty of times, but I don't see you being banned. DanTex Sep 2012 #5

when they make bigoted remarks and show their bigotry, yeah. gejohnston Sep 2012 #11

In your opinion they are bigoted. DanTex Sep 2012 #55

he was the 14 year old son of a racist gejohnston Sep 2012 #83

Juries are not impartial here. rrneck Sep 2012 #14

Umm... I thought you guys always argued that most DUers supported gun rights. DanTex Sep 2012 #19

If it's blatant trolling it does Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #22

Depends what you mean by "blatant trolling" DanTex Sep 2012 #24

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is? rrneck Sep 2012 #30

I asked him the same question a week ago, and got no response. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #120

He prefers vague insinuations rrneck Sep 2012 #124

There's another example of the same anti-gun McCarthyism downthread: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #135

You haven't started thinking yet. rrneck Sep 2012 #25

Careful, the group host might ban you for that content-free personal attack! DanTex Sep 2012 #27

You can dish it out but you can't take it. rrneck Sep 2012 #43

More insults! Earth to krispos! DanTex Sep 2012 #48

Poor baby. rrneck Sep 2012 #58

Thought experiment with me... Callisto32 Sep 2012 #82

Can you point to a single post by Hoyt that used reasoned debate Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #207

Yah no kidding! darkangel218 Sep 2012 #45

The problem with DU's version of democracy is that the majority CAN ALWAYS rDigital Sep 2012 #64

I agree. darkangel218 Sep 2012 #73

Welcome to partisanland. rrneck Sep 2012 #76

yah, me niether darkangel218 Sep 2012 #86

Hoyt has served on 22 juries. He is still eligible to be on more, although he is banned from this AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #137

I'm not concerned about the whole rrneck Sep 2012 #141

While a certain amount rrneck Sep 2012 #12

Not just a troll. But a Canadian troll. See #68. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #85

Well that settles it. Canadian. Why wasn't that mentioned earlier? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #149

Perhaps this forum would benefit from having three hosts. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #13

+1 ellisonz Sep 2012 #16

That, or krispos could go back to being the impartial host that he used to be... DanTex Sep 2012 #17

Tossing trolls is now "judicial activism"? PavePusher Sep 2012 #61

Checks and Balances, so to speak. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #69

There would be a pretty narrow field of candidates. rrneck Sep 2012 #20

I don't post here enough to know who those candidates would be, ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #49

For my part rrneck Sep 2012 #63

OK. I am not here enough to really know what is going on. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #79

Actually rrneck Sep 2012 #84

"Yours may one of the few sane voices heard in these parts." ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #145

+1. Although I think Hoyt should be unblocked, Krispos has done an otherwise fine and petronius Sep 2012 #112

I'm on the fence about blocking Hoyt. rrneck Sep 2012 #119

curious ... why do you think he should be Unblocked and What was the straw that broke the Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #143

I have no idea if there was a specific event that triggered the block - I don't recall petronius Sep 2012 #153

while I agree with you in theory, I do think that, for the most part, Krispos Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #155

For all we know, maybe Hoyt asked to be blocked - perhaps he wants to petronius Sep 2012 #159

you could be right. I know there was a time when I considered that very thing -- Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #162

Well, I suppose you could try - but we wouldn't let you get away so easily... petronius Sep 2012 #184

ah.. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #190

I am not sure how that works. Nominations were held and krispos was selected. Now that he is the Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #96

I think he would have to approve new hosts. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #99

indeed, we started out with that in mind - but, in the end, krispos was the only one selected Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #105

Well, there's that. If no one else wants the job, then just having one host ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #107

I agree with one change: One pro-NRA, one pro-sensible gun control, and one Admin. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #108

I don't think your labels are fair. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #123

And I think they are very fair, all things considered. Therein lies the rub. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #187

Do you personally find label-based arguments to be very convincing? ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #208

I find them to be clarifying, and helpful for context of just what exactly it is we are talking apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #213

Here in lies the insidious rub DWC Sep 2012 #211

You are welcome to place me on ignore, if you think my factual labels of what we are talking about apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #214

Factual labels? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #215

Uh-huh. Talk to the Sig line. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #227

Solipsism is such a strong argument... ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #229

You might wanna look up what "solipsism" actually means, "professor": apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #231

If I hadn't deleted my inbox entirely several months ago... ellisonz Sep 2012 #21

Good to see you down here playa. rrneck Sep 2012 #26

Another personal insult by rrneck. krispos, are you paying attention? DanTex Sep 2012 #28

Sorry, that is no insult. It is the truth and ellisonz is Proud of it. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #33

Calling someone a "playa" is an insult. DanTex Sep 2012 #35

Bullshit rrneck Sep 2012 #38

oh please. alert on it, then. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #39

Actually, I was hoping krispos would just step in with a ban like with Hoyt. DanTex Sep 2012 #42

Juries are a fickle bunch, on that we both agree. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #47

Hoyt has served on 22 juries and remains eligible to serve on more. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #139

meh, I am OK with that. Let Hoyt now go forth and prove himself to be a good DUer and participate Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #140

how many have been alerted on? gejohnston Sep 2012 #50

me too. he was just too --- too --- Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #54

Im sure he is. rrneck Sep 2012 #34

Amd by the way rrneck Sep 2012 #36

don't get me started cos you all know what I capable of. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #40

The fucking ground shakes. rrneck Sep 2012 #46

! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #52

More Orwellianism? PavePusher Sep 2012 #65

lol ellisonz Sep 2012 #102

There is no legitimate debate with someone Union Scribe Sep 2012 #106

Then use the ignore function. ellisonz Sep 2012 #117

since you are suggesting the Ignore Function may I ask if you use it? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #148

Bull. It's pretty easy to not get banned. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #210

The reality is that krispos42 has changed positions on this topic. ellisonz Sep 2012 #233

because admin thought they were "zombies" gejohnston Sep 2012 #234

Take your own advice. Clames Sep 2012 #225

Bite me. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #232

I am confident that the decision was based solely on Hoyt's consistently bad behavior slackmaster Sep 2012 #23

I have come to realize the DU " jury " is hardly impartial darkangel218 Sep 2012 #31

He's not banned from the site. rrneck Sep 2012 #32

In regards to Hoyt's banning: Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #37

Let me guess. You're a pro-gunner. DanTex Sep 2012 #41

After a manner, yes. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #53

Sounds like it. DanTex Sep 2012 #57

You do realize that being in support of gun rights is not "right wing", correct? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #67

See, there is where you and I differ. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #71

truly, you are being judicious in your commentary. If, in fact, Hoyt is NOT a troll Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #111

I can't answer that, friend. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #142

good enough. understand completely your hesitancy in further commenting. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #144

I for one have mixed feelings. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #160

must say, both versions are apt descriptions of what has occurred. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #44

As evidenced by the first response to your utterly reasonable post (and thank for that)... PavePusher Sep 2012 #70

He may have owned a gun at one time. He was a Canadian who said he was a former robber. See #68. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #90

I thought Hoyt was actualy Hoyt Hilsman a contributer on HuffPo Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #212

I believed that as well ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #216

Interesting. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #219

I have served on the jury 11 times 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #51

I can see you're deeply offended "you delicate flower, you" as you anti-gunnies say. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #56

There may be another difference as well. Hoyt is a Canadian who posted that he is a former robber. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #92

I object to Hoyt being banned from the group SecularMotion Sep 2012 #59

Actually, the "pro-gun" opinion is not all that unpopular on DU. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #62

however polls in GD have overwhelmingly supported 2A. This was in DU2. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #75

I bothced the subject line. Was meant to say "unpopular" MercutioATC Sep 2012 #126

a-ha! understood. I think most DUers just can not be bothered with it and Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #132

Did you know that he is a Canadian who posted that he is a former robber? See #68. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #74

Canadian? I thought he was in Georgia? How did I get that idea? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #77

Ooops, you beat me too it. PavePusher Sep 2012 #94

New Brunswick perhaps? gejohnston Sep 2012 #100

but, did he ever say Georgia as a point in fact in open forum? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #101

I think I remember "Georgia" or "Atlanta".... PavePusher Sep 2012 #116

understood - totally Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #125

His profile (before it was changed) indicated that he was a Canadian, and he admitted in an exchange AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #109

interesting, thanks Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #115

Wrong. Clames Sep 2012 #150

Well, Hoyt is the ONLY DU member I have ever felt the need to put on my ignore list. Callisto32 Sep 2012 #60

"Fuck You" was an entirely appropriate response to much of Hoyt's vile drivel. PavePusher Sep 2012 #87

It should be known that Hoyt is a Canadian who, among other things, posted that he AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #68

He has not been PPR'd - only banned from this group however he may Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #72

Do you have a link to the Canadian confession? And the non-citien admission? Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #81

Good questions. But Hoyt is not the only non-American bashing our Bill of Rights. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #98

Canadian? I thought he said several times that he was from Georgia? PavePusher Sep 2012 #91

At some point, he changed his profile to remove the information that he was a Canadian. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #104

Awww..there goes 50% of the entertainment value of this group. Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #78

I think you are mixing up the role of MIRT/Admin and the role of a Host petronius Sep 2012 #89

Looks like this is going to be almost as popular as the "The Witch is Dead" celebration. PavePusher Sep 2012 #93

Hoyt consistently insinuated that posters here Union Scribe Sep 2012 #95

one would think that easy enough. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #129

The admins need to step in and address this Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #97

This is not the only group that has only One Host. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #103

I know and that is a big problem Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #110

I don't think anybody else was really interested in taking it on. Seems like we tried Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #113

Maybe it is time to change the system Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #118

sounds like something that needs to be taken up with the Admin. No One here has the Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #127

Which is why I said in my original post that the admins need to address this Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #133

and what I am trying to say is that You need to contact the Admin since you feel this way Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #134

I actually think it makes a certain amount of sense in a pro-NRA/GOP agenda forum, which this apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #114

Another Hoyt diciple: accuse and insinuate. Sigh. n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #121

Its really very simply, whether you are for or against RKBA, just don't be an asswipe. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #122

An important step towards not being an asswipe- Don't act like *this* guy: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #138

So, because genuine progressives don't want NRA/GOP talking points spewed on our discussion apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #151

"genuine" progressives ???? sorry but, when you phrase it that way Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #163

Yada, yada, yada - more meaningless noise. There is nothing "progressive" about the NRA/GOP apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #165

I fucking despise and hate ALL LOBBYISTS and that includes the NRA. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #169

Okay. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #175

Eddie Munster? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #217

you approved of Hoyt's posting style? only if you want to employ those same tactics. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #128

I'll ask you the same question asked of DanTex: Point out the "pro-NRA/GOP agenda posters". friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #130

Let's double-down, so to speak. Not interested in any "wager," but I'll tell you what: apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #146

I don't think Obama will appoint that type of justice. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #158

He already has, twice, but regardless: are you voting for President Obama or not? apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #164

good lord. I fucking despise Rmoney and Lyin Ryan. there is NO way in HEll I would NOT Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #166

So, you are voting to re-elect President Obama - great! Glad to hear it. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #168

I highly doubt it. time will tell and we shall see. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #171

I highly don't doubt it. But you're right: we will see. And I'm pretty sure I "know" apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #173

you know Jack Schitt. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #177

Ooooohhh...ain't that just the cleverest thing you've ever seen? apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #180

do you see your little ole brain when you roll your eyes to back of your head like that? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #185

More playground taunts: funny stuff. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #191

playground faces deserve playground taunts. you dish it out; you better be ready to take it. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #193

Except, I'm not complaining about it: I'm laughing at you, not with you. When you employ playground apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #195

haha. we all know where you pulled that data from. funny stuff, indeed. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #198

It is, indeed, a laughable tour-de-force you're putting on here. By all means, continue. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #200

Channelling Hoyt? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #226

Are you supporting your President even though he has abandoned federal gun legislation? aikoaiko Sep 2012 #222

If it were, for example, gejohnston Sep 2012 #131

I disagreed with almost everything Hoyt posted tularetom Sep 2012 #136

Good. The host made the proper decision regarding Hoyt. Clames Sep 2012 #147

You don't have the slightest clue whether the decision was "proper" or not: none of us do, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #152

Their anti-Democratic mayor posts are flame bait Kolesar Sep 2012 #154

Yep - I have seen some of those when I used to hang out in the Gungeon more often. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #156

I think the Admin have studied the Constitution and recognize that this is a rural vs. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #157

Except, my theory actually makes sense: this is not a "rural vs. metropolitan topic," it is apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #167

retreat and flank, dude. Facts are with me. AND until the ADMIN see fit to comment Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #176

Actually, the facts are not with you, as has been shown. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #182

Your theory gets trashed every time a poll is posted in this group. Clames Sep 2012 #202

Yeah, 'cuz a poll in the Gungeon with about a couple dozen participants is just SO definitive, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #205

More substantial than anything you have. Clames Sep 2012 #223

Here's the results of a poll showing that DUers agree that RKBA is a progressive value. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #161

Wow...an internet poll, posted in the Gungeon, in which a grand total of 86 people participated! apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #170

gun polls are no longer allowed in GD on DU3. However on DU2 where they were allowed Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #172

Changing the subject, per usual. This was about the poll posted, not some phantom on "DU2". apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #174

take your condescension and Have a Nice Day. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #178

Translation: "this being on the losing side of an argument really bites." Gotcha. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #181

your translator is in obvious need of repair. Malfunction Junction. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #186

Nope, it's spot on. What's not working is your working understanding of what it means apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #189

Nice day. Dude. I said Nice Day. like I said. work on your translator. It is irony impaired. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #192

Same thing, though I updated the precise quote. Now you're just playing semantics games. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #194

no. Have a Nice Day has a very precise meaning. You need to try and keep up. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #196

Yes: it is one of many forms in the English language of saying "goodbye." But we can go on talking apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #197

please, dude, your ignorance about DU is showing. you have no clue as to what I am on about. but, Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #201

Translation: "this being on the losing side of an argument and being reduced to making a fool apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #204

One Last Time, I answered your questions respectfully and in a timely fashion. You chose to come Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #220

"One Last Time" - Really? Pinky-promise, even? apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #224

Now that I've got time to deal with this in detail, we'll take a closer look at your "last" post: apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #228

So the results of a democratic vote is wrong? What about Bill Clinton's analysis AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #179

Guess you and Hoyt share that much. Clames Sep 2012 #199

Where's my can o beans.... ileus Sep 2012 #183

it figures. this is NRA central. xchrom Sep 2012 #203

Spot-on post, and exactly right. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #206

Sure is... rrneck Sep 2012 #209

have you ever read an entire thread in this group? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #221

Actually, the Democratic party moved away from anti-RKBA stances. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #230

All these crocodile tears for Hoyt, but what of poor Bubkus? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #218

Locking with the following statement: krispos42 Sep 2012 #235