Gun Control & RKBA

petronius

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89. I think you are mixing up the role of MIRT/Admin and the role of a Host

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 03:23 PM

Sep 2012

RW trolls, infiltrators who don't belong on DU at all, are dealt with by MIRT, and it's really not the job of the Host to block them from groups. People who disrupt a group more often than not are legitimate DUers who for one reason or another choose to act like trolls in a particular segment of the site. (I'm sure that if you set aside the pro/anti perspectives and simply look at behavior, you'll find the obvious examples.) It's this latter group of trolls (a somewhat different application of the term) that hosts are entitled to deal with.

That said, I agree that Hoyt shouldn't have been blocked. He may be a one-note and willfully offensive poster here, but I think the gungeon is healthiest with a very light hosting touch: no group-specific rules or procedures, no blocks, and a broad interpretation of the SoP...

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Hoyt banned from the gungeon. So much for the impartiality of the group host. [View all] DanTex Sep 2012 OP

People who disagree with you aren't trolls Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #1

You mean, say, people who post links to Glenn Beck's website on a Democratic forum? DanTex Sep 2012 #3

An impartial jury Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #6

Wait, I thought you guys always claimed that most DUers supported the 2nd amendment. DanTex Sep 2012 #9

You can review my posts Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #10

theblaze.com is Glenn Beck's site DanTex Sep 2012 #15

Well I'll plead ignorance to that then. Unless it's labeled I just assume they're news sites nt Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #18

"On a site that is heavily against the 2nd amendment." Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #188

although I disagree with banning Hoyt gejohnston Sep 2012 #7

Agreed that he was a troll. Did you know that he is a Canadian who said that he is a former robber? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #80

I read the former robber one gejohnston Sep 2012 #88

This belongs in Meta. leveymg Sep 2012 #2

krispos can lock it if he wants. DanTex Sep 2012 #8

This is a good home for this discussion. Meta is too noisy. rDigital Sep 2012 #66

I think it belongs here. It is group business and precedent for such posts have been set in Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #29

I'm sure he made some objectionable posts? gejohnston Sep 2012 #4

You've accused fellow DUers of bigotry plenty of times, but I don't see you being banned. DanTex Sep 2012 #5

when they make bigoted remarks and show their bigotry, yeah. gejohnston Sep 2012 #11

In your opinion they are bigoted. DanTex Sep 2012 #55

he was the 14 year old son of a racist gejohnston Sep 2012 #83

Juries are not impartial here. rrneck Sep 2012 #14

Umm... I thought you guys always argued that most DUers supported gun rights. DanTex Sep 2012 #19

If it's blatant trolling it does Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #22

Depends what you mean by "blatant trolling" DanTex Sep 2012 #24

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is? rrneck Sep 2012 #30

I asked him the same question a week ago, and got no response. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #120

He prefers vague insinuations rrneck Sep 2012 #124

There's another example of the same anti-gun McCarthyism downthread: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #135

You haven't started thinking yet. rrneck Sep 2012 #25

Careful, the group host might ban you for that content-free personal attack! DanTex Sep 2012 #27

You can dish it out but you can't take it. rrneck Sep 2012 #43

More insults! Earth to krispos! DanTex Sep 2012 #48

Poor baby. rrneck Sep 2012 #58

Thought experiment with me... Callisto32 Sep 2012 #82

Can you point to a single post by Hoyt that used reasoned debate Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #207

Yah no kidding! darkangel218 Sep 2012 #45

The problem with DU's version of democracy is that the majority CAN ALWAYS rDigital Sep 2012 #64

I agree. darkangel218 Sep 2012 #73

Welcome to partisanland. rrneck Sep 2012 #76

yah, me niether darkangel218 Sep 2012 #86

Hoyt has served on 22 juries. He is still eligible to be on more, although he is banned from this AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #137

I'm not concerned about the whole rrneck Sep 2012 #141

While a certain amount rrneck Sep 2012 #12

Not just a troll. But a Canadian troll. See #68. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #85

Well that settles it. Canadian. Why wasn't that mentioned earlier? Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #149

Perhaps this forum would benefit from having three hosts. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #13

+1 ellisonz Sep 2012 #16

That, or krispos could go back to being the impartial host that he used to be... DanTex Sep 2012 #17

Tossing trolls is now "judicial activism"? PavePusher Sep 2012 #61

Checks and Balances, so to speak. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #69

There would be a pretty narrow field of candidates. rrneck Sep 2012 #20

I don't post here enough to know who those candidates would be, ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #49

For my part rrneck Sep 2012 #63

OK. I am not here enough to really know what is going on. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #79

Actually rrneck Sep 2012 #84

"Yours may one of the few sane voices heard in these parts." ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #145

+1. Although I think Hoyt should be unblocked, Krispos has done an otherwise fine and petronius Sep 2012 #112

I'm on the fence about blocking Hoyt. rrneck Sep 2012 #119

curious ... why do you think he should be Unblocked and What was the straw that broke the Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #143

I have no idea if there was a specific event that triggered the block - I don't recall petronius Sep 2012 #153

while I agree with you in theory, I do think that, for the most part, Krispos Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #155

For all we know, maybe Hoyt asked to be blocked - perhaps he wants to petronius Sep 2012 #159

you could be right. I know there was a time when I considered that very thing -- Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #162

Well, I suppose you could try - but we wouldn't let you get away so easily... petronius Sep 2012 #184

ah.. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #190

I am not sure how that works. Nominations were held and krispos was selected. Now that he is the Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #96

I think he would have to approve new hosts. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #99

indeed, we started out with that in mind - but, in the end, krispos was the only one selected Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #105

Well, there's that. If no one else wants the job, then just having one host ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #107

I agree with one change: One pro-NRA, one pro-sensible gun control, and one Admin. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #108

I don't think your labels are fair. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #123

And I think they are very fair, all things considered. Therein lies the rub. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #187

Do you personally find label-based arguments to be very convincing? ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #208

I find them to be clarifying, and helpful for context of just what exactly it is we are talking apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #213

Here in lies the insidious rub DWC Sep 2012 #211

You are welcome to place me on ignore, if you think my factual labels of what we are talking about apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #214

Factual labels? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #215

Uh-huh. Talk to the Sig line. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #227

Solipsism is such a strong argument... ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #229

You might wanna look up what "solipsism" actually means, "professor": apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #231

If I hadn't deleted my inbox entirely several months ago... ellisonz Sep 2012 #21

Good to see you down here playa. rrneck Sep 2012 #26

Another personal insult by rrneck. krispos, are you paying attention? DanTex Sep 2012 #28

Sorry, that is no insult. It is the truth and ellisonz is Proud of it. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #33

Calling someone a "playa" is an insult. DanTex Sep 2012 #35

Bullshit rrneck Sep 2012 #38

oh please. alert on it, then. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #39

Actually, I was hoping krispos would just step in with a ban like with Hoyt. DanTex Sep 2012 #42

Juries are a fickle bunch, on that we both agree. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #47

Hoyt has served on 22 juries and remains eligible to serve on more. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #139

meh, I am OK with that. Let Hoyt now go forth and prove himself to be a good DUer and participate Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #140

how many have been alerted on? gejohnston Sep 2012 #50

me too. he was just too --- too --- Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #54

Im sure he is. rrneck Sep 2012 #34

Amd by the way rrneck Sep 2012 #36

don't get me started cos you all know what I capable of. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #40

The fucking ground shakes. rrneck Sep 2012 #46

! Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #52

More Orwellianism? PavePusher Sep 2012 #65

lol ellisonz Sep 2012 #102

There is no legitimate debate with someone Union Scribe Sep 2012 #106

Then use the ignore function. ellisonz Sep 2012 #117

since you are suggesting the Ignore Function may I ask if you use it? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #148

Bull. It's pretty easy to not get banned. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #210

The reality is that krispos42 has changed positions on this topic. ellisonz Sep 2012 #233

because admin thought they were "zombies" gejohnston Sep 2012 #234

Take your own advice. Clames Sep 2012 #225

Bite me. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #232

I am confident that the decision was based solely on Hoyt's consistently bad behavior slackmaster Sep 2012 #23

I have come to realize the DU " jury " is hardly impartial darkangel218 Sep 2012 #31

He's not banned from the site. rrneck Sep 2012 #32

In regards to Hoyt's banning: Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #37

Let me guess. You're a pro-gunner. DanTex Sep 2012 #41

After a manner, yes. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #53

Sounds like it. DanTex Sep 2012 #57

You do realize that being in support of gun rights is not "right wing", correct? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #67

See, there is where you and I differ. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #71

truly, you are being judicious in your commentary. If, in fact, Hoyt is NOT a troll Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #111

I can't answer that, friend. Decoy of Fenris Sep 2012 #142

good enough. understand completely your hesitancy in further commenting. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #144

I for one have mixed feelings. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #160

must say, both versions are apt descriptions of what has occurred. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #44

As evidenced by the first response to your utterly reasonable post (and thank for that)... PavePusher Sep 2012 #70

He may have owned a gun at one time. He was a Canadian who said he was a former robber. See #68. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #90

I thought Hoyt was actualy Hoyt Hilsman a contributer on HuffPo Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #212

I believed that as well ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #216

Interesting. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #219

I have served on the jury 11 times 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #51

I can see you're deeply offended "you delicate flower, you" as you anti-gunnies say. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #56

There may be another difference as well. Hoyt is a Canadian who posted that he is a former robber. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #92

I object to Hoyt being banned from the group SecularMotion Sep 2012 #59

Actually, the "pro-gun" opinion is not all that unpopular on DU. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #62

however polls in GD have overwhelmingly supported 2A. This was in DU2. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #75

I bothced the subject line. Was meant to say "unpopular" MercutioATC Sep 2012 #126

a-ha! understood. I think most DUers just can not be bothered with it and Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #132

Did you know that he is a Canadian who posted that he is a former robber? See #68. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #74

Canadian? I thought he was in Georgia? How did I get that idea? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #77

Ooops, you beat me too it. PavePusher Sep 2012 #94

New Brunswick perhaps? gejohnston Sep 2012 #100

but, did he ever say Georgia as a point in fact in open forum? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #101

I think I remember "Georgia" or "Atlanta".... PavePusher Sep 2012 #116

understood - totally Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #125

His profile (before it was changed) indicated that he was a Canadian, and he admitted in an exchange AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #109

interesting, thanks Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #115

Wrong. Clames Sep 2012 #150

Well, Hoyt is the ONLY DU member I have ever felt the need to put on my ignore list. Callisto32 Sep 2012 #60

"Fuck You" was an entirely appropriate response to much of Hoyt's vile drivel. PavePusher Sep 2012 #87

It should be known that Hoyt is a Canadian who, among other things, posted that he AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #68

He has not been PPR'd - only banned from this group however he may Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #72

Do you have a link to the Canadian confession? And the non-citien admission? Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #81

Good questions. But Hoyt is not the only non-American bashing our Bill of Rights. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #98

Canadian? I thought he said several times that he was from Georgia? PavePusher Sep 2012 #91

At some point, he changed his profile to remove the information that he was a Canadian. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #104

Awww..there goes 50% of the entertainment value of this group. Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #78

I think you are mixing up the role of MIRT/Admin and the role of a Host petronius Sep 2012 #89

Looks like this is going to be almost as popular as the "The Witch is Dead" celebration. PavePusher Sep 2012 #93

Hoyt consistently insinuated that posters here Union Scribe Sep 2012 #95

one would think that easy enough. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #129

The admins need to step in and address this Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #97

This is not the only group that has only One Host. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #103

I know and that is a big problem Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #110

I don't think anybody else was really interested in taking it on. Seems like we tried Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #113

Maybe it is time to change the system Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #118

sounds like something that needs to be taken up with the Admin. No One here has the Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #127

Which is why I said in my original post that the admins need to address this Bjorn Against Sep 2012 #133

and what I am trying to say is that You need to contact the Admin since you feel this way Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #134

I actually think it makes a certain amount of sense in a pro-NRA/GOP agenda forum, which this apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #114

Another Hoyt diciple: accuse and insinuate. Sigh. n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #121

Its really very simply, whether you are for or against RKBA, just don't be an asswipe. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #122

An important step towards not being an asswipe- Don't act like *this* guy: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #138

So, because genuine progressives don't want NRA/GOP talking points spewed on our discussion apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #151

"genuine" progressives ???? sorry but, when you phrase it that way Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #163

Yada, yada, yada - more meaningless noise. There is nothing "progressive" about the NRA/GOP apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #165

I fucking despise and hate ALL LOBBYISTS and that includes the NRA. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #169

Okay. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #175

Eddie Munster? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #217

you approved of Hoyt's posting style? only if you want to employ those same tactics. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #128

I'll ask you the same question asked of DanTex: Point out the "pro-NRA/GOP agenda posters". friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #130

Let's double-down, so to speak. Not interested in any "wager," but I'll tell you what: apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #146

I don't think Obama will appoint that type of justice. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #158

He already has, twice, but regardless: are you voting for President Obama or not? apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #164

good lord. I fucking despise Rmoney and Lyin Ryan. there is NO way in HEll I would NOT Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #166

So, you are voting to re-elect President Obama - great! Glad to hear it. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #168

I highly doubt it. time will tell and we shall see. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #171

I highly don't doubt it. But you're right: we will see. And I'm pretty sure I "know" apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #173

you know Jack Schitt. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #177

Ooooohhh...ain't that just the cleverest thing you've ever seen? apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #180

do you see your little ole brain when you roll your eyes to back of your head like that? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #185

More playground taunts: funny stuff. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #191

playground faces deserve playground taunts. you dish it out; you better be ready to take it. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #193

Except, I'm not complaining about it: I'm laughing at you, not with you. When you employ playground apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #195

haha. we all know where you pulled that data from. funny stuff, indeed. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #198

It is, indeed, a laughable tour-de-force you're putting on here. By all means, continue. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #200

Channelling Hoyt? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #226

Are you supporting your President even though he has abandoned federal gun legislation? aikoaiko Sep 2012 #222

If it were, for example, gejohnston Sep 2012 #131

I disagreed with almost everything Hoyt posted tularetom Sep 2012 #136

Good. The host made the proper decision regarding Hoyt. Clames Sep 2012 #147

You don't have the slightest clue whether the decision was "proper" or not: none of us do, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #152

Their anti-Democratic mayor posts are flame bait Kolesar Sep 2012 #154

Yep - I have seen some of those when I used to hang out in the Gungeon more often. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #156

I think the Admin have studied the Constitution and recognize that this is a rural vs. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #157

Except, my theory actually makes sense: this is not a "rural vs. metropolitan topic," it is apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #167

retreat and flank, dude. Facts are with me. AND until the ADMIN see fit to comment Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #176

Actually, the facts are not with you, as has been shown. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #182

Your theory gets trashed every time a poll is posted in this group. Clames Sep 2012 #202

Yeah, 'cuz a poll in the Gungeon with about a couple dozen participants is just SO definitive, apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #205

More substantial than anything you have. Clames Sep 2012 #223

Here's the results of a poll showing that DUers agree that RKBA is a progressive value. AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #161

Wow...an internet poll, posted in the Gungeon, in which a grand total of 86 people participated! apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #170

gun polls are no longer allowed in GD on DU3. However on DU2 where they were allowed Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #172

Changing the subject, per usual. This was about the poll posted, not some phantom on "DU2". apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #174

take your condescension and Have a Nice Day. Peace Out. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #178

Translation: "this being on the losing side of an argument really bites." Gotcha. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #181

your translator is in obvious need of repair. Malfunction Junction. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #186

Nope, it's spot on. What's not working is your working understanding of what it means apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #189

Nice day. Dude. I said Nice Day. like I said. work on your translator. It is irony impaired. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #192

Same thing, though I updated the precise quote. Now you're just playing semantics games. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #194

no. Have a Nice Day has a very precise meaning. You need to try and keep up. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #196

Yes: it is one of many forms in the English language of saying "goodbye." But we can go on talking apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #197

please, dude, your ignorance about DU is showing. you have no clue as to what I am on about. but, Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #201

Translation: "this being on the losing side of an argument and being reduced to making a fool apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #204

One Last Time, I answered your questions respectfully and in a timely fashion. You chose to come Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #220

"One Last Time" - Really? Pinky-promise, even? apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #224

Now that I've got time to deal with this in detail, we'll take a closer look at your "last" post: apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #228

So the results of a democratic vote is wrong? What about Bill Clinton's analysis AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #179

Guess you and Hoyt share that much. Clames Sep 2012 #199

Where's my can o beans.... ileus Sep 2012 #183

it figures. this is NRA central. xchrom Sep 2012 #203

Spot-on post, and exactly right. n/t. apocalypsehow Sep 2012 #206

Sure is... rrneck Sep 2012 #209

have you ever read an entire thread in this group? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #221

Actually, the Democratic party moved away from anti-RKBA stances. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #230

All these crocodile tears for Hoyt, but what of poor Bubkus? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #218

Locking with the following statement: krispos42 Sep 2012 #235