Gun Control & RKBA

holdencaufield

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34. I believe that was Heinlein's point ...

Tue Sep 4, 2012, 02:54 AM

Sep 2012

... if EVERYONE is armed (or potentially armed) the impulse to inflict abuse (either verbal or physical) is superseded by the impulse not to get shot.

Which is one of the reasons that the "Wild West" wasn't nearly as "wild" a legend portrays it. For example, at the famous "OK Corral" shootout -- only three person were killed. That wouldn't even register as a newsworthy event in present day Washington DC or Chicago.

I'm not advocating universal carry but I am also against restricting any law-abiding citizen from his right to self-defence granted under the US Constitution.

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Why would you not carry a gun in Church? [View all] Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 OP

Yeah!!! 'Cause that's EXACTLY what Jesus would want!!! RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #1

What if your church is an oak grove? gejohnston Sep 2012 #2

Then Jesus asked them, discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #5

personally, when I think of Jesus, I like to think of him as a gun toting bad ass bad sofa king Sep 2012 #14

Jesus was the first one to say "I'll be back!" lob1 Sep 2012 #27

The sword was the handgun of its day ... spin Sep 2012 #16

People used to carry weapons to church all the time Euromutt Sep 2012 #18

God gave us the common sense to know that gun nuttery is just that, gun nuttery. upaloopa Sep 2012 #48

I'm an atheist, that argument doesn't work on me Euromutt Sep 2012 #122

If God calls on you to shoot somebody, you'd better come prepared BlueStreak Sep 2012 #78

Will you never be satisfied until everyone is carrying everywhere? Loudly Sep 2012 #3

Peacemaker. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #13

What a fucking stretch. The single action army was invented in the 1800's. Today it is called upaloopa Sep 2012 #49

1873 to be percise. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #56

"An armed society ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #21

Among the most polite societies in the world Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #26

Having lived in Japan ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #28

As one who is currently living in Japan, Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #31

I believe that was Heinlein's point ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #34

Gee, would I rather have Japan be a country where almost no one has a gun, Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #36

You're free to choose ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #39

"Personal freedoms" Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #118

Freedom to own child pornography and get corn on your pizza Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #119

Mmmmmmm.... corn holdencaufield Sep 2012 #120

Simple logic tells us, the more people have guns, the more guns will be used, not thew other way upaloopa Sep 2012 #50

Without guns the strong are free to prey upon the weak. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #58

So why has gun violence declined to historic lows as gun ownership has skyrocketed? hack89 Sep 2012 #60

Tsk tsk tsk bongbong Sep 2012 #115

By every measure there are few shootings and fewer deaths / injuries hack89 Sep 2012 #117

LOADS of laughs bongbong Sep 2012 #123

So you agree that there are fewer shootings, injuries and deaths? hack89 Sep 2012 #124

Learn a little logic bongbong Sep 2012 #125

Very simple question - afraid to give an honest answer? hack89 Sep 2012 #126

Read! bongbong Sep 2012 #127

So how does your "logic" explain fewer shootings, injuries and deaths? hack89 Sep 2012 #128

Give it up! MercutioATC Sep 2012 #129

Those were the days hack89 Sep 2012 #130

They were! MercutioATC Sep 2012 #131

Waste of time bongbong Sep 2012 #132

How does your extrapolation explain fewer shootings, injuries and deaths? hack89 Sep 2012 #133

And I'm sure you have the stats to prove your claim.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #86

Simple logic almost never is. spayneuter Sep 2012 #105

The only time Jenoch Sep 2012 #135

That's the truth. Clames Sep 2012 #32

How many Japanese have you actually met? Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #33

About as many as one can in a small rural town there. Clames Sep 2012 #80

Art_From_Ark lives in Japan. ellisonz Sep 2012 #136

Really, cause the guys who luv their guns near me are complete arrogant jackasses. Pholus Sep 2012 #51

The point being ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #53

Must be nice that you're on the side of the angels always. Pholus Sep 2012 #54

People only tend to "lip off" ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #57

Ah yes. See you make my point for me. Pholus Sep 2012 #63

Your powers of insight are truly awesome. holdencaufield Sep 2012 #64

As I fervently hope you use your strapped on respect-getter. Pholus Sep 2012 #65

I remain -- unbruised holdencaufield Sep 2012 #66

Yeah, that much smug self-centeredness doesn't bruise as much as suffocates. Clames Sep 2012 #81

I might actually have taken you seriously Pholus Sep 2012 #100

I'm trying to imagine ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #101

Wow, you posted about THREE things this time. Pholus Sep 2012 #106

Bwahahaha.... Clames Sep 2012 #116

I would expect no different. Pholus Sep 2012 #99

Actually, it is the LEGALLY armed person who becomes extra polite. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #67

As usual, you're much better than the locals. Pholus Sep 2012 #97

Texas statistics do not agree with you. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #134

Wow, I guess you're right. Your data proves my local assholes simply don't exist. Pholus Sep 2012 #139

Lay off the lies. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #140

Your usage of your data is flawed as is your assertion. Pholus Sep 2012 #147

I fail to see the logic gejohnston Sep 2012 #149

Thank you for a return to civility. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #151

The process has enough rigor to weed out most of the undesirables. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #153

I openly carry a fire arm at work Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #74

Then you are probably the kind of guy they can trust. Pholus Sep 2012 #98

Actually it's because I'm a security guard and most folks treat us like furniture NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #107

That SUCKS! Pholus Sep 2012 #111

Snort MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #4

Personally, I look at it this way gejohnston Sep 2012 #9

Actually I mostly carry because I am required to do so as a condition of employment Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #15

I am not afraid to drive my car without my seatbelt on DWC Sep 2012 #17

Does that ever work? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #22

they are truly pathetic Skittles Sep 2012 #30

Results of Jury Service krawhitham Sep 2012 #95

The majority of DU is against the gun cult. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #137

ellisonz: lowering the bar for the level of discourse for thousands and thousands of posts. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #143

What you don't like facts? n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #146

I have no problem with facts. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #150

Do I need to link to the many anti-gun poll results from GD? n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #152

Hmmm... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #144

I'd say that church is definitely one of those places that you would want to carry. rDigital Sep 2012 #6

It ia a free, personal choice whatever the reason DWC Sep 2012 #7

Excellent reasoning since churches are frequent targets of the bad guys. ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #8

....and just who are these so-called "bag-guys"? rDigital Sep 2012 #19

Well, you know bag ladies? Kinda like that... n/t Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #23

The bag guys OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #25

That one I like! ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #79

What's it even matter? Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #10

I do carry a gun in church. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #11

In VA you're not supposed to carry in church "without good and sufficient reason" ileus Sep 2012 #12

We sometimes have open carry at church. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #20

Because it makes Baby Jesus cry? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #24

can't we get a break from you paranoid assholes anywhere??? Skittles Sep 2012 #29

Nope. That's the point. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #35

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #42

Pray ... tell us how you REALLY feel holdencaufield Sep 2012 #43

No one made you come to this group, no one is forcing you to participate. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #44

81,000 posts ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #45

Yes but we're just gun owners (clearly RW gun nut trolls) you know "those people" Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #70

I definitely don't mean to provoke, Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #75

The jury system does not work. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #59

Juror #6 is apparently a vile fucktard. PavePusher Sep 2012 #88

I skimmed right over that. I don't waste my time alerting in this group. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #92

Sure, you can move to Jamaica where guns are prohibited/banned to citizens. You might want to spayneuter Sep 2012 #103

With regard to Christian churches, Jesus said, if someone hits you, turn the other cheek -- pnwmom Sep 2012 #37

Loving your enemy doesn't mean surrendering Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #38

Of course if ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #40

He was most likely aware of those injunctions, but he never repeated anything pnwmom Sep 2012 #73

Most people don't understand that passage. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #46

You're not saying he would advocate people wearing guns to church, would you? pnwmom Sep 2012 #108

I think he would be too busy thumping on the gejohnston Sep 2012 #109

He would not object to some doing it. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #110

I obviously read a different translation of the Bible than you did. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #113

it pays to look at the historical and cultural context. gejohnston Sep 2012 #114

Do you think Jesus didn't know that Peter was armed on the way to the garden? Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #121

Would that be the same Jesus who said "I came not to bring peace, but a sword" in Matthew 10:34 spayneuter Sep 2012 #104

If guns were banned in churches then only criminals would have guns in churches /nt still_one Sep 2012 #41

Maybe people in church don't want to sit next to someone so damned paranoid they have to carry upaloopa Sep 2012 #47

You're making a leap .. holdencaufield Sep 2012 #52

I'm for people being able to own a gun 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #55

I'm curious ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #61

You chances of gettin struck by lightning are greater than of being illegally killed by a CCWer. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #62

no actually I am afraid of them 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #82

Why would you fear me? GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #84

I hope you'd pay first! Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #85

I remember many years ago 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #87

What state was that in? PavePusher Sep 2012 #89

The permitting system takes care of drawing that line for you. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #68

that makes me a bit more comfortable 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #83

I've encountered quite a few people... jeepnstein Sep 2012 #69

I used to attend a church "on the beaten path" ileus Sep 2012 #71

I don’t think I asked my church question as clearly as I might have, so I’d like to rephrase it. Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #72

My life isn't less meaningful to me at church ileus Sep 2012 #77

File that one under:"blind attribution" Kolesar Sep 2012 #76

It seems to me that it's mostly the pro gun control crowd that is doing the flaming. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #91

It's a misconception that anti-gun types have 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #90

Your second paragraph is a pure conjecture on your part Kolesar Sep 2012 #93

Not really 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #94

I have few reasons to enter a church but AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #96

Because I no longer waste my time going to church tularetom Sep 2012 #102

"Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry!" (Valentine Blacker) nt jody Sep 2012 #112

I hope you don't shower without your gun... ellisonz Sep 2012 #138

Attacks in the shower have happened, and not just in that movie. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #141

If she'd have been packing ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #142

Do you need me to cite cases in which guns left unsecured in the home... ellisonz Sep 2012 #145

given the rarity of such cases gejohnston Sep 2012 #148

The CDC has a web page where that can be looked up. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #154

This is why DWC Sep 2012 #155

State lawmakers have no business telling churches their members can't CCW on church property. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #156