Gun Control & RKBA

holdencaufield

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142. If she'd have been packing ...

Reply to GreenStormCloud (Reply #141)

Thu Sep 6, 2012, 01:15 AM

Sep 2012

... Marion Crane would be alive today.

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Why would you not carry a gun in Church? [View all] Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 OP

Yeah!!! 'Cause that's EXACTLY what Jesus would want!!! RevStPatrick Sep 2012 #1

What if your church is an oak grove? gejohnston Sep 2012 #2

Then Jesus asked them, discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #5

personally, when I think of Jesus, I like to think of him as a gun toting bad ass bad sofa king Sep 2012 #14

Jesus was the first one to say "I'll be back!" lob1 Sep 2012 #27

The sword was the handgun of its day ... spin Sep 2012 #16

People used to carry weapons to church all the time Euromutt Sep 2012 #18

God gave us the common sense to know that gun nuttery is just that, gun nuttery. upaloopa Sep 2012 #48

I'm an atheist, that argument doesn't work on me Euromutt Sep 2012 #122

If God calls on you to shoot somebody, you'd better come prepared BlueStreak Sep 2012 #78

Will you never be satisfied until everyone is carrying everywhere? Loudly Sep 2012 #3

Peacemaker. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #13

What a fucking stretch. The single action army was invented in the 1800's. Today it is called upaloopa Sep 2012 #49

1873 to be percise. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #56

"An armed society ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #21

Among the most polite societies in the world Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #26

Having lived in Japan ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #28

As one who is currently living in Japan, Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #31

I believe that was Heinlein's point ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #34

Gee, would I rather have Japan be a country where almost no one has a gun, Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #36

You're free to choose ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #39

"Personal freedoms" Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #118

Freedom to own child pornography and get corn on your pizza Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #119

Mmmmmmm.... corn holdencaufield Sep 2012 #120

Simple logic tells us, the more people have guns, the more guns will be used, not thew other way upaloopa Sep 2012 #50

Without guns the strong are free to prey upon the weak. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #58

So why has gun violence declined to historic lows as gun ownership has skyrocketed? hack89 Sep 2012 #60

Tsk tsk tsk bongbong Sep 2012 #115

By every measure there are few shootings and fewer deaths / injuries hack89 Sep 2012 #117

LOADS of laughs bongbong Sep 2012 #123

So you agree that there are fewer shootings, injuries and deaths? hack89 Sep 2012 #124

Learn a little logic bongbong Sep 2012 #125

Very simple question - afraid to give an honest answer? hack89 Sep 2012 #126

Read! bongbong Sep 2012 #127

So how does your "logic" explain fewer shootings, injuries and deaths? hack89 Sep 2012 #128

Give it up! MercutioATC Sep 2012 #129

Those were the days hack89 Sep 2012 #130

They were! MercutioATC Sep 2012 #131

Waste of time bongbong Sep 2012 #132

How does your extrapolation explain fewer shootings, injuries and deaths? hack89 Sep 2012 #133

And I'm sure you have the stats to prove your claim.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #86

Simple logic almost never is. spayneuter Sep 2012 #105

The only time Jenoch Sep 2012 #135

That's the truth. Clames Sep 2012 #32

How many Japanese have you actually met? Art_from_Ark Sep 2012 #33

About as many as one can in a small rural town there. Clames Sep 2012 #80

Art_From_Ark lives in Japan. ellisonz Sep 2012 #136

Really, cause the guys who luv their guns near me are complete arrogant jackasses. Pholus Sep 2012 #51

The point being ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #53

Must be nice that you're on the side of the angels always. Pholus Sep 2012 #54

People only tend to "lip off" ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #57

Ah yes. See you make my point for me. Pholus Sep 2012 #63

Your powers of insight are truly awesome. holdencaufield Sep 2012 #64

As I fervently hope you use your strapped on respect-getter. Pholus Sep 2012 #65

I remain -- unbruised holdencaufield Sep 2012 #66

Yeah, that much smug self-centeredness doesn't bruise as much as suffocates. Clames Sep 2012 #81

I might actually have taken you seriously Pholus Sep 2012 #100

I'm trying to imagine ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #101

Wow, you posted about THREE things this time. Pholus Sep 2012 #106

Bwahahaha.... Clames Sep 2012 #116

I would expect no different. Pholus Sep 2012 #99

Actually, it is the LEGALLY armed person who becomes extra polite. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #67

As usual, you're much better than the locals. Pholus Sep 2012 #97

Texas statistics do not agree with you. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #134

Wow, I guess you're right. Your data proves my local assholes simply don't exist. Pholus Sep 2012 #139

Lay off the lies. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #140

Your usage of your data is flawed as is your assertion. Pholus Sep 2012 #147

I fail to see the logic gejohnston Sep 2012 #149

Thank you for a return to civility. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #151

The process has enough rigor to weed out most of the undesirables. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #153

I openly carry a fire arm at work Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #74

Then you are probably the kind of guy they can trust. Pholus Sep 2012 #98

Actually it's because I'm a security guard and most folks treat us like furniture NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #107

That SUCKS! Pholus Sep 2012 #111

Snort MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #4

Personally, I look at it this way gejohnston Sep 2012 #9

Actually I mostly carry because I am required to do so as a condition of employment Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #15

I am not afraid to drive my car without my seatbelt on DWC Sep 2012 #17

Does that ever work? holdencaufield Sep 2012 #22

they are truly pathetic Skittles Sep 2012 #30

Results of Jury Service krawhitham Sep 2012 #95

The majority of DU is against the gun cult. n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #137

ellisonz: lowering the bar for the level of discourse for thousands and thousands of posts. (nt) eqfan592 Sep 2012 #143

What you don't like facts? n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #146

I have no problem with facts. eqfan592 Sep 2012 #150

Do I need to link to the many anti-gun poll results from GD? n/t ellisonz Sep 2012 #152

Hmmm... eqfan592 Sep 2012 #144

I'd say that church is definitely one of those places that you would want to carry. rDigital Sep 2012 #6

It ia a free, personal choice whatever the reason DWC Sep 2012 #7

Excellent reasoning since churches are frequent targets of the bad guys. ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #8

....and just who are these so-called "bag-guys"? rDigital Sep 2012 #19

Well, you know bag ladies? Kinda like that... n/t Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #23

The bag guys OriginalGeek Sep 2012 #25

That one I like! ManiacJoe Sep 2012 #79

What's it even matter? Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #10

I do carry a gun in church. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #11

In VA you're not supposed to carry in church "without good and sufficient reason" ileus Sep 2012 #12

We sometimes have open carry at church. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #20

Because it makes Baby Jesus cry? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #24

can't we get a break from you paranoid assholes anywhere??? Skittles Sep 2012 #29

Nope. That's the point. Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #35

Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #42

Pray ... tell us how you REALLY feel holdencaufield Sep 2012 #43

No one made you come to this group, no one is forcing you to participate. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #44

81,000 posts ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #45

Yes but we're just gun owners (clearly RW gun nut trolls) you know "those people" Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #70

I definitely don't mean to provoke, Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #75

The jury system does not work. Union Scribe Sep 2012 #59

Juror #6 is apparently a vile fucktard. PavePusher Sep 2012 #88

I skimmed right over that. I don't waste my time alerting in this group. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #92

Sure, you can move to Jamaica where guns are prohibited/banned to citizens. You might want to spayneuter Sep 2012 #103

With regard to Christian churches, Jesus said, if someone hits you, turn the other cheek -- pnwmom Sep 2012 #37

Loving your enemy doesn't mean surrendering Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #38

Of course if ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #40

He was most likely aware of those injunctions, but he never repeated anything pnwmom Sep 2012 #73

Most people don't understand that passage. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #46

You're not saying he would advocate people wearing guns to church, would you? pnwmom Sep 2012 #108

I think he would be too busy thumping on the gejohnston Sep 2012 #109

He would not object to some doing it. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #110

I obviously read a different translation of the Bible than you did. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #113

it pays to look at the historical and cultural context. gejohnston Sep 2012 #114

Do you think Jesus didn't know that Peter was armed on the way to the garden? Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #121

Would that be the same Jesus who said "I came not to bring peace, but a sword" in Matthew 10:34 spayneuter Sep 2012 #104

If guns were banned in churches then only criminals would have guns in churches /nt still_one Sep 2012 #41

Maybe people in church don't want to sit next to someone so damned paranoid they have to carry upaloopa Sep 2012 #47

You're making a leap .. holdencaufield Sep 2012 #52

I'm for people being able to own a gun 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #55

I'm curious ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #61

You chances of gettin struck by lightning are greater than of being illegally killed by a CCWer. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #62

no actually I am afraid of them 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #82

Why would you fear me? GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #84

I hope you'd pay first! Glaug-Eldare Sep 2012 #85

I remember many years ago 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #87

What state was that in? PavePusher Sep 2012 #89

The permitting system takes care of drawing that line for you. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #68

that makes me a bit more comfortable 2pooped2pop Sep 2012 #83

I've encountered quite a few people... jeepnstein Sep 2012 #69

I used to attend a church "on the beaten path" ileus Sep 2012 #71

I don’t think I asked my church question as clearly as I might have, so I’d like to rephrase it. Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #72

My life isn't less meaningful to me at church ileus Sep 2012 #77

File that one under:"blind attribution" Kolesar Sep 2012 #76

It seems to me that it's mostly the pro gun control crowd that is doing the flaming. NT Trunk Monkey Sep 2012 #91

It's a misconception that anti-gun types have 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #90

Your second paragraph is a pure conjecture on your part Kolesar Sep 2012 #93

Not really 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #94

I have few reasons to enter a church but AtheistCrusader Sep 2012 #96

Because I no longer waste my time going to church tularetom Sep 2012 #102

"Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry!" (Valentine Blacker) nt jody Sep 2012 #112

I hope you don't shower without your gun... ellisonz Sep 2012 #138

Attacks in the shower have happened, and not just in that movie. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #141

If she'd have been packing ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #142

Do you need me to cite cases in which guns left unsecured in the home... ellisonz Sep 2012 #145

given the rarity of such cases gejohnston Sep 2012 #148

The CDC has a web page where that can be looked up. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #154

This is why DWC Sep 2012 #155

State lawmakers have no business telling churches their members can't CCW on church property. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #156