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In reply to the discussion: Some people dislike gays, others dislike guns. We should not base our laws on personal dislikes. [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)103. It is interesting that you mention Mayor Bloomberg. ...
He is indeed a strong voice for stricter gun control. He is also a member of the 1%.
Perhaps that's why it is not surprising that in Mayor Bloomberg's kingdom of New York City other members of the 1% as well as the famous and the well connected can obtain permission to own and sometimes even carry firearms while the average citizen finds getting a permit a daunting and expensive task. It appears he supports "may issue" concealed carry.
Concealed carry in the United States
Concealed carry, or CCW (carrying a concealed weapon), refers to the practice of carrying a handgun or other weapon in public in a concealed manner, either on one's person or in proximity.
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May-Issue
A May-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, and where the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities (frequently the sheriff's department or police). The law typically states that a granting authority "may issue" a permit if various criteria are met. While an applicant must qualify for a permit by meeting criteria defined in state law, local jurisdictions in May-Issue states often have locally-defined requirements that an applicant must meet before a permit will be granted, such as providing adequate justification to the approval authority for needing a concealed carry permit (self-defense in and of itself may not be sufficient justification in some areas where justification is required).
A state that is de jure a May-Issue jurisdiction may range anywhere from Shall-Issue to No-Issue in practice,[27][28] i.e., Permissive May-Issue to Restrictive May-Issue, based on each licensing authority's willingness to issue permits to applicants. Alabama, Connecticut and Delaware are regarded as Permissive May-Issue states, while Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Puerto Rico are considered Restrictive May-Issue states. California, Massachusetts, and New York vary within state; Inland California, rural portions of Massachusetts, and Upstate New York are Permissive, while the New York City, Boston, Los Angeles, and San Francisco metropolitan areas are Restrictive. In some May-Issue jurisdictions, permits are only issued to individuals with celebrity status, have political connections, or have a high degree of wealth.[29][30][31] In some such cases, issuing authorities charge arbitrarily-defined fees that go well beyond the basic processing fee for a CCW permit, thereby making the CCW permit unaffordable to most applicants....emphasis added
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States
The Rich, the Famous, the Armed
By JO CRAVEN McGINTY
Published: February 18, 2011
MEN and women. Democrats and Republicans. Doctors, lawyers, merchants and moguls. A remarkable, if relatively small, cross-section of New Yorkers legally own handguns, according to public records obtained by The New York Times.
Among the more than 37,000 people licensed to have a handgun in the city are dozens of boldface names and public figures: prominent business leaders, elected officials, celebrities, journalists, judges and lawyers.
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The 41,164 handguns registered with the Police Department as of Jan. 14 include those owned by more than 2,400 people who live outside the city but have permission to bring their weapons here people like Roger E. Ailes, the president of Fox News, whose license lists an address in New Jersey; John J. Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, who lives in Westchester County; and Sean Hannity, the conservative talk-show host, who lives on Long Island.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/nyregion/20guns.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion
NYC's '1 percent' totally 'gun'-ho
By BRAD HAMILTON and GARY BUISO
Last Updated: 11:26 AM, April 22, 2012
The 1 percent comes in piece.
Dozens of New York Citys billionaires, real-estate moguls and Wall Street CEOs are really loaded, according to the NYPDs gun-permit list obtained by The Post under the Freedom of Information Act.
Top guns include Donald Trump, Marvel Comics head Isaac Perlmutter and Gristedes chairman and mayoral wannabe John Catsimatidis.
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The really loaded
Ronald Lauder: Worth $3.3 billion, No. 103 on Forbes
Donald Trump: Worth $2.9 billion, No. 128 on Forbes 400
Joseph Sitt: Coney Island developer with assets of $1 billion
Andrew Farkas: Island Capital CEO used to employ Andrew Cuomo.
Richard Fields: Hard Rock casino mogul
Howard Stern: Recently inked $400 million deal with Sirius
John Catsimatidis: Gristedes CEO worth $2 billion, No. 212 on Forbes
John Mack: Former Morgan Stanley CEO
Larry Gluck: Real-estate mogul owns Independence Plaza and heads Stellar Management.
Adam Rose: Owner of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village.
Isaac Perlmutter: Marvel comics CEO worth $1.9 billion, No. 263 on Forbes.
Tommy Mottola: Bronx-born recording exec worth $100 million
George Klein: Real-estate mogul, CEO of Park Tower Group
Ivan Seidenberg: Former Verizon CEO made $62 in 2009-2011
Dana Duneier: CEO of Madison Avenue jeweler Clyde Duneier
Albert Fried: Managing director of venerable Wall Street firm Albert Fried & Company.
Martin Goodstein: Founder of Goodstein Management
Donald Trump Jr.: First son of The Donald works for the Trump Organization.
Eric Trump: Third son of Donald, hes also in the family biz.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_really_loaded_gsK0QeUR76khfXuWYvruOJ
If you take the time to do some research you will discover that gun control has a long history of racism. For example the KKK used to use the fact that Black communities were basically disarmed to terrorize them. Today racism in the gun control movement is not as evident but still I feel it still exists. "May issue" firearm permits allow local authorities the opportunity to discriminate against minorities and the poor.
"Shall issue" concealed carry which is favored by gun owners and the NRA is color blind and discrimination free. If an individual can meet the requirements which include a criminal background check and proof of firearm safety training and pay a very reasonable fee he/she can get a concealed weapons permit in Florida. It matters not what your skin color is or if you are rich and famous or poor and unknown. Florida requires few limitations on firearm ownership and a resident of legal age can obtain a firearm from a gun shop if he/she can pass a NICS background check without permission from any local authorities. No racism is involved and I know many Blacks and Hispanics who own firearms and some have concealed weapons permits many of whom I have personally introduced to the shooting sports.
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Some people dislike gays, others dislike guns. We should not base our laws on personal dislikes. [View all]
Remmah2
Sep 2012
OP
What utter nonsense. A gun cannot harm anyone by just sitting on a table, even if loaded...
spayneuter
Sep 2012
#75
And no firearms manufacturer has ever claimed that they didn't know that their product
glacierbay
Sep 2012
#48
So you agree the need for citizens to carry weapons in public is based on irrational fears?
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
#16
what a really, really stupid analogy.MY first amendment right is violated by a gun and bullets
graham4anything
Sep 2012
#7
private person having a weapon of mass destruction is not mentioned in the 2nd Amend.
graham4anything
Sep 2012
#61
"a gun never saved anyone" True, which is why if you're ever in trouble you should just
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#28
The Supreme Court currently leans in a conservative direction and has for years. ...
spin
Sep 2012
#108
first the topic compares a gun and a gay person, now a gun and an abortion?
graham4anything
Sep 2012
#91
You have opened six OPs on the same topic. Why don't you pose a single issue and consider
jody
Sep 2012
#17
I don't believe there is such a rule. IMO replies to one of your OPs could also address the others.
jody
Sep 2012
#33
I did not mean to scold anyone. Just lost when trying to follow so many OPs with a common issue.
jody
Sep 2012
#73