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103. It is interesting that you mention Mayor Bloomberg. ...
Fri Sep 14, 2012, 02:50 PM
Sep 2012

He is indeed a strong voice for stricter gun control. He is also a member of the 1%.

Perhaps that's why it is not surprising that in Mayor Bloomberg's kingdom of New York City other members of the 1% as well as the famous and the well connected can obtain permission to own and sometimes even carry firearms while the average citizen finds getting a permit a daunting and expensive task. It appears he supports "may issue" concealed carry.

Concealed carry in the United States

Concealed carry, or CCW (carrying a concealed weapon), refers to the practice of carrying a handgun or other weapon in public in a concealed manner, either on one's person or in proximity.

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May-Issue

A May-Issue jurisdiction is one that requires a permit to carry a concealed handgun, and where the granting of such permits is partially at the discretion of local authorities (frequently the sheriff's department or police). The law typically states that a granting authority "may issue" a permit if various criteria are met. While an applicant must qualify for a permit by meeting criteria defined in state law, local jurisdictions in May-Issue states often have locally-defined requirements that an applicant must meet before a permit will be granted, such as providing adequate justification to the approval authority for needing a concealed carry permit (self-defense in and of itself may not be sufficient justification in some areas where justification is required).

A state that is de jure a May-Issue jurisdiction may range anywhere from Shall-Issue to No-Issue in practice,[27][28] i.e., Permissive May-Issue to Restrictive May-Issue, based on each licensing authority's willingness to issue permits to applicants. Alabama, Connecticut and Delaware are regarded as Permissive May-Issue states, while Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, and Puerto Rico are considered Restrictive May-Issue states. California, Massachusetts, and New York vary within state; Inland California, rural portions of Massachusetts, and Upstate New York are Permissive, while the New York City, Boston, Los Angeles, and San Francisco metropolitan areas are Restrictive. In some May-Issue jurisdictions, permits are only issued to individuals with celebrity status, have political connections, or have a high degree of wealth.[29][30][31] In some such cases, issuing authorities charge arbitrarily-defined fees that go well beyond the basic processing fee for a CCW permit, thereby making the CCW permit unaffordable to most applicants....emphasis added
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States


The Rich, the Famous, the Armed

By JO CRAVEN McGINTY
Published: February 18, 2011


MEN and women. Democrats and Republicans. Doctors, lawyers, merchants and moguls. A remarkable, if relatively small, cross-section of New Yorkers legally own handguns, according to public records obtained by The New York Times.

Among the more than 37,000 people licensed to have a handgun in the city are dozens of boldface names and public figures: prominent business leaders, elected officials, celebrities, journalists, judges and lawyers.

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The 41,164 handguns registered with the Police Department as of Jan. 14 include those owned by more than 2,400 people who live outside the city but have permission to bring their weapons here — people like Roger E. Ailes, the president of Fox News, whose license lists an address in New Jersey; John J. Mack, the chairman of Morgan Stanley, who lives in Westchester County; and Sean Hannity, the conservative talk-show host, who lives on Long Island.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/nyregion/20guns.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion


NYC's '1 percent' totally 'gun'-ho

By BRAD HAMILTON and GARY BUISO

Last Updated: 11:26 AM, April 22, 2012

The “1 percent” comes in piece.

Dozens of New York City’s billionaires, real-estate moguls and Wall Street CEOs are really loaded, according to the NYPD’s gun-permit list obtained by The Post under the Freedom of Information Act.

Top guns include Donald Trump, Marvel Comics head Isaac Perlmutter and Gristedes chairman and mayoral wannabe John Catsimatidis.

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The really loaded

Ronald Lauder: Worth $3.3 billion, No. 103 on Forbes

Donald Trump: Worth $2.9 billion, No. 128 on Forbes 400

Joseph Sitt: Coney Island developer with assets of $1 billion

Andrew Farkas: Island Capital CEO used to employ Andrew Cuomo.

Richard Fields: Hard Rock casino mogul

Howard Stern: Recently inked $400 million deal with Sirius

John Catsimatidis: Gristedes CEO worth $2 billion, No. 212 on Forbes

John Mack: Former Morgan Stanley CEO

Larry Gluck: Real-estate mogul owns Independence Plaza and heads Stellar Management.

Adam Rose: Owner of Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village.

Isaac Perlmutter: Marvel comics CEO worth $1.9 billion, No. 263 on Forbes.

Tommy Mottola: Bronx-born recording exec worth $100 million

George Klein: Real-estate mogul, CEO of Park Tower Group

Ivan Seidenberg: Former Verizon CEO made $62 in 2009-2011

Dana Duneier: CEO of Madison Avenue jeweler Clyde Duneier

Albert Fried: Managing director of venerable Wall Street firm Albert Fried & Company.

Martin Goodstein: Founder of Goodstein Management

Donald Trump Jr.: First son of The Donald works for the Trump Organization.

Eric Trump: Third son of Donald, he’s also in the family biz.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/the_really_loaded_gsK0QeUR76khfXuWYvruOJ


If you take the time to do some research you will discover that gun control has a long history of racism. For example the KKK used to use the fact that Black communities were basically disarmed to terrorize them. Today racism in the gun control movement is not as evident but still I feel it still exists. "May issue" firearm permits allow local authorities the opportunity to discriminate against minorities and the poor.

"Shall issue" concealed carry which is favored by gun owners and the NRA is color blind and discrimination free. If an individual can meet the requirements which include a criminal background check and proof of firearm safety training and pay a very reasonable fee he/she can get a concealed weapons permit in Florida. It matters not what your skin color is or if you are rich and famous or poor and unknown. Florida requires few limitations on firearm ownership and a resident of legal age can obtain a firearm from a gun shop if he/she can pass a NICS background check without permission from any local authorities. No racism is involved and I know many Blacks and Hispanics who own firearms and some have concealed weapons permits many of whom I have personally introduced to the shooting sports.











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NAMBLA and the KKK have their supporters too. Loudly Sep 2012 #1
So you are equating Gays with NAMBLA and KKK??? Raster Sep 2012 #2
He also equated machinists to child pornographers glacierbay Sep 2012 #6
It makes me wonder who/what the anti2A people really represent? Remmah2 Sep 2012 #8
I thought you were exaggerating 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #22
Wait, wait. I'm not done being offended by the OP. Loudly Sep 2012 #9
Kinda like comparing skilled machinists to child pornographers. glacierbay Sep 2012 #10
Unwholesome machining and unwholesome photography. Loudly Sep 2012 #19
The reason CP is banned is that there is no way it can be produced 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #23
Producing guns and ammunition guarantees that children will be harmed. Loudly Sep 2012 #29
So does producing pools or aspirin 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #30
You make the mistake of equating accidents with deliberate harm. Loudly Sep 2012 #35
I suppose that makes a huge difference to the parents 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #36
Intent is the heart of the criminal law. Loudly Sep 2012 #40
Now in our criminal law 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #41
We limit and deny access to dangerous objects. Loudly Sep 2012 #44
Right but the intent goes with the person not the object 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #45
And a firearm is not a dangerous item in and of itself glacierbay Sep 2012 #47
What utter nonsense. A gun cannot harm anyone by just sitting on a table, even if loaded... spayneuter Sep 2012 #75
No they don't glacierbay Sep 2012 #43
"I didn't know I was speeding" is no defense. Loudly Sep 2012 #46
And no firearms manufacturer has ever claimed that they didn't know that their product glacierbay Sep 2012 #48
Should auto manufactures be held to the same standards? oneshooter Sep 2012 #90
Wut? DragonBorn Sep 2012 #60
Should we ban cameras? Remmah2 Sep 2012 #24
That is a more apt analogy 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #31
Nor should we base our laws on irrational fears. SecularMotion Sep 2012 #3
+1 Absolutely... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #13
So you agree the need for citizens to carry weapons in public is based on irrational fears? SecularMotion Sep 2012 #16
Nor should we base our laws on irrational fears. Remmah2 Sep 2012 #20
Nope glacierbay Sep 2012 #21
Anti-gunners are conflicted here 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #25
Well, irrational fear... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #38
The fear of Jenoch Sep 2012 #116
You are right, we should let the irrational fears of Missycim Sep 2012 #80
You weren't born with a gun in your hand HockeyMom Sep 2012 #4
To protect ones self for how they were born should not be a crime either. nt Remmah2 Sep 2012 #5
But I WAS born with the right to defend myself. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #11
Your brain is your best HockeyMom Sep 2012 #18
That doesn't really make any sense 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #27
Good luck using your mind powers against an attacker. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #34
Our brains are great tools 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #37
That sounds to me... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #39
If we didn't have the brains to invent them, we would all be garden slugs. spayneuter Sep 2012 #76
Wow, mom, logic fail. nt rDigital Sep 2012 #112
? Are you telekinetic ? Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #114
what a really, really stupid analogy.MY first amendment right is violated by a gun and bullets graham4anything Sep 2012 #7
No, stupid is not knowing what the 1st amendment actually protects DonP Sep 2012 #12
my right to assemble peacefully to watch a movie graham4anything Sep 2012 #56
the guy doesn't sound radical or right wing gejohnston Sep 2012 #57
nice changing of the subject and graham4anything Sep 2012 #59
Are you really that dense or just putting us on? DonP Sep 2012 #58
private person having a weapon of mass destruction is not mentioned in the 2nd Amend. graham4anything Sep 2012 #61
AGAIN, what are you personally doing about any of it? DonP Sep 2012 #67
the blacks in Katrina HAD NO GUNS and you are meshing topics graham4anything Sep 2012 #68
I mean, what really are gun people so scared of happening? graham4anything Sep 2012 #69
The guy who shot up the theater wasn't a right wing Missycim Sep 2012 #81
The NRA has only 4.3 million members out of the 80 million gun owners. ... spin Sep 2012 #70
it is because the Brady law doesn't go anywhere near what is needed graham4anything Sep 2012 #79
Well that was a nice screed you just posted Missycim Sep 2012 #82
Just another ill informed gun controller who is only a Keyboard Kommando DonP Sep 2012 #85
It is interesting that you mention Mayor Bloomberg. ... spin Sep 2012 #103
Let's see, what do all of those locations have in common... rl6214 Sep 2012 #71
A gun never saved anyone? glacierbay Sep 2012 #14
re: "a gun never saved anyone" discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #15
"a gun never saved anyone" True, which is why if you're ever in trouble you should just 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #28
"MY first amendment right is violated by a gun and bullets" PavePusher Sep 2012 #49
bad analogy again JFK RFK Lennon MLK all were done in by guns graham4anything Sep 2012 #54
* Yawn * shadowrider Sep 2012 #62
no one forces you to read if you find it so boring graham4anything Sep 2012 #65
Hmmm, these posts sound an awefull lot like Hoyt. rl6214 Sep 2012 #72
It can't be Hoyt glacierbay Sep 2012 #74
I guess this is some sort of ad hominem against me graham4anything Sep 2012 #78
What I or anyone else needs glacierbay Sep 2012 #84
it is if it affects my rights graham4anything Sep 2012 #86
Show me where in the BoR glacierbay Sep 2012 #88
but Scotus is temporary graham4anything Sep 2012 #92
If you're pinning your hopes on the SCOTUS overturning the Second Amendment glacierbay Sep 2012 #94
without the NRA, you are but one person with no voice graham4anything Sep 2012 #97
Don't forget the millions that do support gun ownership glacierbay Sep 2012 #101
Question asked at post #90. Please answer. n/t oneshooter Sep 2012 #104
The Supreme Court currently leans in a conservative direction and has for years. ... spin Sep 2012 #108
as to many points, but starting with the issue of drugs... graham4anything Sep 2012 #110
correction gejohnston Sep 2012 #113
Very interesting post ... spin Sep 2012 #115
Sigh..... same old same old. PavePusher Sep 2012 #105
Warfgarble? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #64
Self defense is a RIGHT before all other rights. Missycim Sep 2012 #83
I would give the kid my wallet, its not worth 25 years in jail graham4anything Sep 2012 #87
Its not always that simple Missycim Sep 2012 #89
first the topic compares a gun and a gay person, now a gun and an abortion? graham4anything Sep 2012 #91
Again please stop with your shtick Missycim Sep 2012 #93
you are correct, for today, who knows what tomorrow will bring though graham4anything Sep 2012 #95
You can still get a 64oz soda in NYC glacierbay Sep 2012 #96
The law was signed yesterday, tomorrow, we can only dream graham4anything Sep 2012 #98
Didn't read the law, did you? glacierbay Sep 2012 #100
answer me this Missycim Sep 2012 #99
Because you're not part of the 1%. nt. glacierbay Sep 2012 #102
And more warfgarble.... PavePusher Sep 2012 #106
Here are 47 videos of people using guns to save themselves. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #55
Whatever you are smoking doesn't seem to be doing what you wanted it to. spayneuter Sep 2012 #77
You have opened six OPs on the same topic. Why don't you pose a single issue and consider jody Sep 2012 #17
Why? Is there a board rule? Remmah2 Sep 2012 #26
I don't believe there is such a rule. IMO replies to one of your OPs could also address the others. jody Sep 2012 #33
There is an anti-gun poster who at one time had 27 OP's on the front page shadowrider Sep 2012 #63
I did not mean to scold anyone. Just lost when trying to follow so many OPs with a common issue. jody Sep 2012 #73
WOW ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #32
When you push for laws banning guns with bayonet lugs 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #42
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Sep 2012 #50
In CA that is clearly the case. The laws here are that bad. ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #111
I have no problem with people who take out their guns in their own bedroom Speck Tater Sep 2012 #51
If I see someone "flash their gun in public" glacierbay Sep 2012 #53
And this happens... how often? n/t PavePusher Sep 2012 #66
In Florida brandishing a firearm is illegal even if you have a carry permit. (n/t) spin Sep 2012 #107
Some people dislike ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, too..... liberallibral Sep 2012 #52
Our current immigration laws need a major overhaul. ... spin Sep 2012 #109
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