Gun Control & RKBA

Eleanors38

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77. Glad you liked A-town. Damn developers are turning it into Miami...

Wed Sep 19, 2012, 04:04 PM

Sep 2012

with all the condo construction (on S. Lamar all the way to Broken Spoke, it's zoned condos). Taxes, rents are sky-high, and there is little full-time work (and no-time work for old farts).

I have rarely felt threatened, except on 6th St. where, variously, some punky toughs tried to get something started by calling me "gay." I apologized, and informed them that I had probably dined on more p____y than they had even dreamed about. It confused them a moment, and I made my retreat. Lately, it's mainly smash-and-run gang-type initiation (probably 2 killed using this method of hand-fist murder). Don't go there much anymore.

As to targeting, I suggest you ask the average violent mugger/robber: Generally, they look for folks who are not situationally aware, older, slower, displaying skulking mannerisms, etc. I don't crawl into the average thug's head too much; avoidance being the best defense. But when folks younger and stronger than I are violently attacked by thug(s), I take a lesson. And augment my self-awareness strategies.

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IMO This song defines our debate [View all] DWC Sep 2012 OP

I saw this in another thread, Oneka Sep 2012 #1

Exactly my point DWC Sep 2012 #2

Exactly. The song is largely one giant straw man. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #7

"Antis blame the tool. Pros blame the anti-social behavior. " Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #3

In what way is concealed carry antisocial? Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #4

I guess you found the answers. All four. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #8

Let's examine the errors in your statement. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #11

What you said. I find it jawdroppingly absurd that someone considers Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #13

I find it jawdroppingly absurd that you don't consider CCW antisocial Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #27

Consider these responses ErikO Sep 2012 #31

What? Name one. Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #14

It fits all of them. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #17

It fits absolutely NONE of them Common Sense Party Sep 2012 #23

Really? That hard for you? Clames Sep 2012 #5

Being ready, willing, and able to defend yourself is not anti-social behavior. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #6

Did I mention self-defense? No! Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #9

Self-defense with a weapon is still self-defense. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #10

Concealed Carry is nobody else's business DWC Sep 2012 #12

"That is why it is called Concealed Carry" LOL THREADWINNER n/t Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #15

If it were nobody else's business, we wouldn't be discussing it. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #16

Which "herd" thinks that way you ask. DWC Sep 2012 #18

Is that what you learned in the Marine Corps? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #45

Shepards, not wolves, lead sheep to the slaughter DWC Sep 2012 #51

So, "putting my family in such danger" is necessarily associated with CCW? Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #34

My view on this.... virginia mountainman Sep 2012 #19

"Legal guns are not the ones you need to worry about." Indeed. Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #35

I don't worry about guns, legal or illegal. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #37

You do condemn those who legally carry. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #46

I think "condemn" is a tad OTT Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #47

With increasing age one is considered a soft target. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #50

I am prepared to use violence to defend myself. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #54

Avoidance is the best first defense. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #57

You keep using that word "Fear". Your usage is incorrect. PavePusher Sep 2012 #65

Preparedness for the most unlikely of events is not fear. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #71

1.3-1.5 million violent crimes per year. PavePusher Sep 2012 #74

And how do you fit into those numbers? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #78

You are hanging your ignorance out in public view, and that is certainly anti-social. PavePusher Sep 2012 #84

Good for you. Enjoy your "proper holster". Hope it makes you feel safer. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #90

Of course you don't. PavePusher Sep 2012 #96

You forgot the "loaded" and "concealed" parts. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #100

That's only half the equation. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #85

And I'm just as confident I won't need a gun. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #91

That's like saying, "I will wait until I get injured to buy insurance." N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #101

I try not to get injured. I don't think about insurance. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #103

May your good luck continue. N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #105

Stunning. Straw Man Sep 2012 #62

You confuse advice with condemnation. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #69

So it's both, then. OK. Straw Man Sep 2012 #82

Bingo! Straw Man Sep 2012 #61

The fact that it is none of my business does not mean it isn't anti-social behavior. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #68

What stunning illogic. Straw Man Sep 2012 #83

You, sir, epitomize the word "obtuse". Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #92

Another non-response. Stay classy, ST. Straw Man Sep 2012 #128

Water! Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #129

You are wrong about "lie by omission". GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #86

Of course, you are correct "by law". Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #93

You've now implied and insinuated that lawful carriers have criminal intent. PavePusher Sep 2012 #97

No, they are just ready to kill. No criminal intent implied. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #102

Why would I shoot another CCWer? GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #106

He carried illegally. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #104

Actually, it's more like going to a card game and not announcing that you have HIV petronius Sep 2012 #87

"all and sundry"? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #94

Are you really going to pretend that this discussion (and your analogy) is petronius Sep 2012 #95

"it's ridiculous to characterize the carrying of an inert object as sneaky, deceitful, anti-social" Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #99

I left out the word "gun" too, since the point applies to any object a person petronius Sep 2012 #108

You don't seem to understand personal boundaries. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #111

Speaking of anomalous, your conception of personal boundaries is the most unusual petronius Sep 2012 #113

Again, it isn't a question of me liking or disliking it. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #114

Like many other items, an improperly managed firearm can be hazardous. As a result, people petronius Sep 2012 #118

Indiscriminate CC is what I oppose, not all CC. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #120

I disagree, there is no "until" - mere presence is not a meaningful public safety issue, and petronius Sep 2012 #121

In most states a legal carrier has to pass state tests first. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #126

You should be safer than the police and definitely safer than the criminals. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #127

So do you think someone who is HIV Positive DWC Sep 2012 #115

No, they should let you know before you have sex with them. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #116

HIV POSITIVE people, according to you DWC Sep 2012 #117

Too little, too late. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #119

So you wouldn't play poker at someone else's place? GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #107

Either at home or a friend's place. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #110

You are comflating legal and illegal concealed carry. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #20

What is truly amazing is that you believe all that. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #25

Legal CCW has not led to more shootings, injuries and death hack89 Sep 2012 #29

Did I mention fear on my part? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #38

Hard facts = real data, not moral panic over other people's actions that you disagree with. hack89 Sep 2012 #49

What's with the "moral panic" thing. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #53

Passing judgement on gun owners exercising a civil liberty based on your biases hack89 Sep 2012 #55

"Passing judgement" - WTF Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #58

"I see it as foolish, unnecessary and socially regressive.." looks like a personal judgement to me. hack89 Sep 2012 #59

If you are discretionary about carrying, as you say, then I have no issue with you. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #63

OK - as long as you don't support changes to gun laws based on your views hack89 Sep 2012 #64

Killing in self-defense, while sad, is morally and legally OK. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #30

Tell yourself that. You don't have to justify your actions to me. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #41

I, for one, choose the limited purpose of self-defense... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #36

What does being a store clerk or being a woman being raped have to do with you carrying? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #42

I don't wish to wait for a threat to me... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #48

So you follow all your family around to protect them? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #52

Since I have no family to follow (here in Texas), the question is non-applicable... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #60

So, again, I ask "What makes you a target?" Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #66

This is perilously close to saying "But look what she was wearing!" PavePusher Sep 2012 #70

What a crock! Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #73

"If you have already suffered violent attacks or threats, then you should consider carrying." PavePusher Sep 2012 #76

You became a victim the moment you first walked out the door wearing a gun. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #79

Really? What *demonstrable* harm comes from wearing a gun? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #81

Do you think all harm has to be "demonstrable" to be real? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #89

Practical considerations aside, you seem to be veering into Robert Bork territory: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #109

Keep stretching. Mind yoga is good for you. LOL Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #112

Glad you liked A-town. Damn developers are turning it into Miami... Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #77

"It's hard to come up with more anti-social behavior than carrying a concealed handgun... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #21

I'd say you should work on your imagination Union Scribe Sep 2012 #22

Since the whole point of carrying CONCEALED is MicaelS Sep 2012 #26

You don't get it, do you? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #28

It's more like if I don't smoke I will reduce my risk of lung cancer. ErikO Sep 2012 #32

"Carrying a gun is just as anti-social as carrying a cell phone." Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #40

So, taking great pains to camoflauge one's defensive measures... PavePusher Sep 2012 #67

I guess you just answered you own question. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #72

Nice dodge. PavePusher Sep 2012 #75

"It's hard to come up with more anti-social behavior than carrying a concealed handgun" DWC Sep 2012 #80

That's only 9. Keep going, you'll get there soon. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #88

Good thing it isn't up to Cheryl Wheeler. trouble.smith Sep 2012 #24

Cheryl Wheeler is a hypocrite. She has no problem playing gigs in gun-friendly Vermont. friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #33

If Cheryl Wheeler was attacked (heaven forbid) ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #39

she could call for gejohnston Sep 2012 #43

"*I'll* do the "thin'in'" around here!" holdencaufield Sep 2012 #44

Only if he has a Telecaster. jeepnstein Sep 2012 #56

Wow, this thread just got a LOT shorter. PavePusher Sep 2012 #98

?????? n/t DWC Sep 2012 #124

I round-filed the person accusing lawful owners/carriers of criminal intent. PavePusher Sep 2012 #125

My Point Is Made. DWC Sep 2012 #122

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