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68. comprehending a belief system
Wed Sep 19, 2012, 05:07 PM
Sep 2012

Religion and politics are two topics that don't mix well in discussion but they do share some common ground. In religion, when a believer dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine, he is called a heretic. The thing about heresy is that whether political or religious, is that it originates from a fundamental defect/misunderstanding of the nature and source of the belief system.

Horwitz, who wrote this article has either deliberately ignored or consciously denied two serious contradictions. The one, mentioned elsewhere in this thread, that 2A is also part of the Constitution can be explained by the common collectivist view. However, the fact is that this country predates the Constitution and was founded by the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution founded the current federal government not the country.

The Declaration gives the reason for our country's existence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
(emphasis is mine)

In their wisdom the Founders recognized the need for the Constitution to change. They provided for that in Article Five. During the Constitutional Convention representatives for many states brought up the need for a Bill of Rights and required that a Bill of Rights be added to Constitution. This was the first use of the Article Five provisions and probably most important change to the Constitution. The Bill of Rights does a number of things but the one relevant to this topic is in the 2A. This amendment provides a second method for changing the government and had the Founders not thought that right so important, it would not have been among those clearly protected.

Adding to this misunderstanding we have this gem from Mr Horwitz:

"...the Framers knew it (liberty) could only be safeguarded if a robust government was in place to arbitrate private disputes and guarantee that each citizen has an equal voice..."

This sums up my thoughts on Huffington's heretic: The Founders knew that the principle danger to liberty was from the government. No other message comes through so loud and clear. British oppression prompted the founding of the US. What the hell could be so wrong with someone that they couldn't see that?
Good news is the founders left us with the 2A... ileus Sep 2012 #1
The 1A allows piss poor journalist to crap all over the constitution. Remmah2 Sep 2012 #3
Bio info on the author. Remmah2 Sep 2012 #2
Oh how quickly some forget. Indydem Sep 2012 #4
i don't think our guns stand a chance against the US military - or even any other meaningful militar samsingh Sep 2012 #7
I guess you didn't witness the beating we took against IED's and armed insurgents in Iraq. Missycim Sep 2012 #9
Neither did the British in 1775-1776 (nt) MercutioATC Sep 2012 #12
You're right. Clames Sep 2012 #15
There's an old quote Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #18
Why not trust... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #21
And what makes you think that the military glacierbay Sep 2012 #22
It is the firearms aspect of our culture... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #24
Really? "Trust me" is the best you've got? truebluegreen Sep 2012 #28
okay, don't trust me discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #31
Sorry--I don't understand your question. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #40
What to do about that? gejohnston Sep 2012 #42
Sounds good to me. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #44
The Pinkertons, Blackwater. gejohnston Sep 2012 #46
re: "...I am not going to say that..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #52
I hope you are right truebluegreen Sep 2012 #55
And you're comparing all police and military service members to glacierbay Sep 2012 #33
Nope. Not true. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #34
Maybe so glacierbay Sep 2012 #36
McVeigh didn't retire gejohnston Sep 2012 #35
Sorry, I mispoke. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #38
I think that anyone who believes that the US military glacierbay Sep 2012 #29
Inexperience and lack of knowledge... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #32
And historically you would be wrong. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #37
Some is a very small minority of the military glacierbay Sep 2012 #39
No, I have not served. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #41
I see the return of the Pinkerton's first. gejohnston Sep 2012 #43
I think the Pinkertons are already here, truebluegreen Sep 2012 #45
You fail to realize... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #47
<sigh> truebluegreen Sep 2012 #49
you mean a Northern Ireland/Iraq gejohnston Sep 2012 #51
There are frequently MORE than two sides to everything ... holdencaufield Sep 2012 #54
We're having a hard time enforcing our will on Afghanistan 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #59
Shhhh 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #58
If it weren't for our guns DWC Sep 2012 #5
WTF is wrong with tea? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #8
Nothing is wrong with it Missycim Sep 2012 #10
Phew! Good to hear that. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #13
You are right Missycim Sep 2012 #14
Not a thing wrong with tea. I prefer Irish over English anytime. oneshooter Sep 2012 #20
I love tea glacierbay Sep 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #25
Chamomile and other herbal infusions are great. But they are not tea. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #61
Nah! Not worth it. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #63
I'm well into cocktail hour now. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #65
What is your idea of real tea, glacierbay Sep 2012 #64
A real cuppa! Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #66
Thx. glacierbay Sep 2012 #67
Regarding tea vs coffee truebluegreen Sep 2012 #48
response to corporate welfare gejohnston Sep 2012 #50
Bingo. truebluegreen Sep 2012 #56
well put samsingh Sep 2012 #6
Horwitz wants to ignore that 2A *is* one of those constructs of government petronius Sep 2012 #11
The key sentence in that article: Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #16
comprehending a belief system discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #68
They just think such a thing could no longer happen. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #69
It's said... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #70
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one and Nugent is an asshole rl6214 Sep 2012 #17
Talk about bias Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #19
Just for fun... truebluegreen Sep 2012 #30
Because they distrusted a standing army Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #53
twisted logic. Tuesday Afternoon Sep 2012 #26
I'm a pacifist tama Sep 2012 #27
Isn't the adherence to any rights a sign of lack of faith in the government? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #57
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