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In reply to the discussion: Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)103. They are at the link in the OP. I include them as they answer questions raised on this thread:
Some people have questioned why Joe and his wife would be at Westland Mall.
They are indeed Ohio State students. Those questioning their decision to go to Westland Mall are correct in stating there are many other malls in the greater Columbus area and there are many other shopping options closer to campus. Joe and Amanda had actually been at Tuttle Mall looking for a Pittsburgh Steelers shirt. They left when they didnt find what they were looking for. They stopped at Westland Mall on their way to their home in Grove City in one last ditch effort to find a shirt....
Some people are questioning why the aggressor wasnt followed or held for police to apprehend when they arrived.
A handgun is a self-defense tool only. An Ohio Concealed Handgun License allows one to carry that self-defense tool on his or her person concealed. It is not permission to behave like a police officer. Once the threat is stopped, the licenses is correct in going back to a holstered heightened state of awareness.
Had Joe pursued the aggressor and subsequently used lethal force, he would no longer be justified in a self-defense claim. Page 19 & 20 of the Ohio Attorney Generals Concealed Carry Handbook outlines the three requirements to justify lethal force in self-defense. Chasing the aggressor is escalating and would remove one of those conditions....
(Added on edit: That concealed carry handbook is available at the link below)
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/concealedcarrybook
Finally, some people are questioning the truthfulness of Joes story in absence of a police report and other credible news sources. They are calling us liars. They are saying we as gun rights advocates are fabricating or at least embellishing a story to support our agenda
...Amanda did indeed call 911. Weve included a scan of the business card Deputy Cooper left with Joe. The incident is recorded as response #12-155061 in the radio room log.
No police report was filed. We do not fully understand why a report wasnt filed. Since shots were not fired, no one was injured, no property was damaged or stolen, and the assailant had fled, we imagine the incident didnt meet the criteria for a police report.
We also do not understand why a Franklin County Sheriffs Deputy would respond to the call instead of a Columbus Police Officer. The Franklin County Sheriffs Office and Columbus Police Department operate in concert under agreements similar to the Ohio State University Police and Columbus Police departments mutual aid agreement. While the agreements are probably subject to public records requests, we have not obtained them. Regardless of how much combined patrolling or mutual aid they provide to each other, a victim can expect a five to ten minute response time...
They are indeed Ohio State students. Those questioning their decision to go to Westland Mall are correct in stating there are many other malls in the greater Columbus area and there are many other shopping options closer to campus. Joe and Amanda had actually been at Tuttle Mall looking for a Pittsburgh Steelers shirt. They left when they didnt find what they were looking for. They stopped at Westland Mall on their way to their home in Grove City in one last ditch effort to find a shirt....
Some people are questioning why the aggressor wasnt followed or held for police to apprehend when they arrived.
A handgun is a self-defense tool only. An Ohio Concealed Handgun License allows one to carry that self-defense tool on his or her person concealed. It is not permission to behave like a police officer. Once the threat is stopped, the licenses is correct in going back to a holstered heightened state of awareness.
Had Joe pursued the aggressor and subsequently used lethal force, he would no longer be justified in a self-defense claim. Page 19 & 20 of the Ohio Attorney Generals Concealed Carry Handbook outlines the three requirements to justify lethal force in self-defense. Chasing the aggressor is escalating and would remove one of those conditions....
(Added on edit: That concealed carry handbook is available at the link below)
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/concealedcarrybook
Finally, some people are questioning the truthfulness of Joes story in absence of a police report and other credible news sources. They are calling us liars. They are saying we as gun rights advocates are fabricating or at least embellishing a story to support our agenda
...Amanda did indeed call 911. Weve included a scan of the business card Deputy Cooper left with Joe. The incident is recorded as response #12-155061 in the radio room log.
No police report was filed. We do not fully understand why a report wasnt filed. Since shots were not fired, no one was injured, no property was damaged or stolen, and the assailant had fled, we imagine the incident didnt meet the criteria for a police report.
We also do not understand why a Franklin County Sheriffs Deputy would respond to the call instead of a Columbus Police Officer. The Franklin County Sheriffs Office and Columbus Police Department operate in concert under agreements similar to the Ohio State University Police and Columbus Police departments mutual aid agreement. While the agreements are probably subject to public records requests, we have not obtained them. Regardless of how much combined patrolling or mutual aid they provide to each other, a victim can expect a five to ten minute response time...
And that last sentence explains the old saw: "When seconds count, police are minutes away."...
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Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family [View all]
rDigital
Sep 2012
OP
This sounds like a made up story- why would a white man call another white man "white honky"?
kimbutgar
Sep 2012
#1
Do you have another source for this besides "Students for Concealed Carry - Ohio"?
SecularMotion
Sep 2012
#3
I'm sure there's a police report. We can make that your responsibility to go and fetch it.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#8
Funny how he'll post anti gun articles from the VPC, Huffington Post, or the Brady org.
glacierbay
Sep 2012
#15
Make sure you keep all these posts in mind the next time you consider calling a gun owner...
Clames
Sep 2012
#22
The story sounds suspicious, not the gun owner. I too own a handgun, but the story sounds made up.
bluecoat_fan
Sep 2012
#83
It seems to me that this is the first statistical study you have ever seen in your life.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#43
LOL. With the way you take things out of context, you ought to work for the Romney campaign.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#86
Why, are you his recruiter? No thanks I'll stick with Obama, but my condolences on your desperate,
TPaine7
Sep 2012
#88
Maybe Ron Paul is more your speed -- one of those "it's unconstitutional" wackos you seem to like.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#89
Until you showed up to try and settle some old scores, this was, in fact, a discussion about a
DanTex
Sep 2012
#92
Let me guess, the Brady campaign is the only sufficiently unbiased source of information
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#33
If you must ignore the FBI's studies on this then I think we have nothing to discuss
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#53
Excellent. Do you acknowledge that while it was dropping total guns owned
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#59
LOL. Ignoring me again. I guess when you have no evidence on your side, that's the only play!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#64
Yeah, that guy tends to make a lot of noise and then hide when evidence is presented.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#128
LOL. The "creationist" charge by the guy who's intent on ignoring the scientific evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#131
Still dodging. Whatever you do, make sure you don't try and make a substantive point!
DanTex
Sep 2012
#180
Still dodging! Proxy variables, peer reviewed studies. Any of that ring a bell?
DanTex
Sep 2012
#188
"Peer Reviewed" garbage is still garbage. Everyone has an axe to grind, especially those in your
rDigital
Sep 2012
#84
I deny your brand of opinion-based science. I quite enjoy the fact-based science though.
Clames
Sep 2012
#119
Those with a fear of instruments have more of a theological view on gun control than logical.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#122
Funny you bring up "theological view" when you are the one denying the empirical evidence.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#124
Well that's just like your opinion, man. You're peer-reviewed tripe is "peer reviewed" by people
rDigital
Sep 2012
#126
So many characters to say so little. Ignore the inconvenient truths, keep your head in the sand.
rDigital
Sep 2012
#144
Because keeping people from killing themselves is really a possibility and by extension a valid
rDigital
Sep 2012
#146
I'm not arguing with the numbers of that site. I'm saying that suicide isn't a valid gun control
rDigital
Sep 2012
#148
Yes, and the assault rates are similar to ours. Not nearly as far out of line as homicide.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#190
Don't know about gun robberies in Canada. I've seen 40% for the percent of Canada's murders by gun
DanTex
Sep 2012
#195
I don't know if it actually made the news. The link in the OP is to Buckeyes for Concealed Carry.
DanTex
Sep 2012
#70
They are at the link in the OP. I include them as they answer questions raised on this thread:
friendly_iconoclast
Sep 2012
#103