Ohio: Buckeyes for Concealed Carry President Uses Handgun to Defend Family

[gejohnston]

149. you screech "you uneducated oaf" but don't explain

why or how any of it is relevant.

Are you aware that Russia ranks below Libya, Panama, Mexico, and Saudi Arabia in the human development index. I mean, beyond pictures of airplanes, do you have any logical argument as to why Russia is a better point of comparison than Western Europe, Canada, Australia? Do you know of any social scientist that has suggested that Russia is a more appropriate comparison? Do you think that the fact that Russia has a low life expectancy is a good argument against single payer healthcare? Or are you only cherry-picking Russia because it's the only example you can find of a country with high homicide and strict gun laws?

Basically, every country that has a higher murder rate than we do also has stricter laws. If you compare income inequality, we are closer to Mexico and Russia to any of the other countries. We do know that after Canada passed their 1977 law, and Australia passed their 1987 law, the murder and suicide rate did not change. Australia's murder rate was already dropping, but did not drop any sharper. While gun suicide rates dropped slightly, the suicide rate did not.

The only thing the chart actually shows is that rural areas have higher suicide rates than less rural areas. Granted, gun ownership is higher in rural areas in US, Canada, and Australia. Rural Japan, South Korea, and UK people off themselves more than their urban counterparts.

Yes, I get that Japan has a high suicide rate. This is because guns are just one factor, not the only factor. Nobody is claiming that you can predict the suicide rate exactly based on the number of guns. As I was discussing with ellisonz above, the whole concept of multivariate analysis, that there can be more than one factor involved, always seems mindboggling to the gun loons. Japan has a high suicide rates for cultural reasons. If they had a lot of guns, there is little doubt that their suicide rate would be even higher.

And US has higher murder rates because of cultural and historical reasons. And no, if Japan had gun laws like Vermont, their suicide and murder rates would not change. Do I base than on something John Lott said? No, I lived there and studied their culture and history. It is not that "gun loons can't grasp the concept of multivariante analysis" it is that you use personal attacks when asked to explain your position. Knowing how to string terms together to sound impressive doesn't mean you actually know what they are talking about. It kind of reminds me of a high school locker room, the guy who talks the most shit about how much he is getting, isn't.