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gejohnston

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141. actually, he didn't
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 10:22 PM
Sep 2012

If you listen to the 911 tape, and the witness that said Martin was pounding his head in the concrete, he was walking back to his car. Ask yourself this:
Why is he using using "self defense" as an affirmative defense, under the duty to retreat rules, instead of asking for an immunity hearing under SYG? Here is the thing about trial by media: they put some narrative that sells copy, ideologues will use or distort the narrative for their own purpose, and the truth that comes out in court, what the jury hears, is nothing like what the media said it was. Of course, if Martin were a working class kid from the trailer park, no one would give a shit, because his parents wouldn't be able to hire a lawyer to send press releases to the media.

According to physical evidence and a witness, Martin was pounding Zimmerman's head in the concrete. Dr. Tiller has nothing to do with it.

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Yell "FIRE" get as many people looking as possible Vincardog Sep 2012 #1
Did you ever notice rrneck Sep 2012 #3
You have obviously heard about the back elevator at the Dallas PD. Vincardog Sep 2012 #5
Nope, never heard of it. nt rrneck Sep 2012 #8
People get mugged there regularly, aside from that what is your point? Vincardog Sep 2012 #9
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And where Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald holdencaufield Sep 2012 #67
Jammin' rrneck Sep 2012 #163
Oliver Stone was right! holdencaufield Sep 2012 #172
Fight or flee tama Sep 2012 #2
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Totally tama Sep 2012 #25
Passive resistance rrneck Sep 2012 #27
The frame of fear tama Sep 2012 #30
So how rrneck Sep 2012 #34
Don't think tama Sep 2012 #38
Wjat would you have the body do? rrneck Sep 2012 #46
Have you ever stumbled tama Sep 2012 #52
Well rrneck Sep 2012 #58
I've been physically assaulted tama Sep 2012 #62
I know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #37
Yes tama Sep 2012 #47
Mental images... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #94
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correction discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #31
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To my understanding tama Sep 2012 #40
your contentions... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #43
So rrneck Sep 2012 #45
I don't plan nt tama Sep 2012 #48
Thats the solution you offer? Don't plan? nt rrneck Sep 2012 #50
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The point of the thread was to solicit solutions. rrneck Sep 2012 #59
Not to create situations tama Sep 2012 #65
Does the victim create the situation? nt rrneck Sep 2012 #168
I had a cigarette on the balcony tama Sep 2012 #170
I like most anything rrneck Sep 2012 #173
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Yes, freedom of movement is good tama Sep 2012 #183
The most immediate scale rrneck Sep 2012 #195
Just magical thinking. tama Sep 2012 #207
But there's no common sense solution there. rrneck Sep 2012 #213
"Do you know how to change a flat tire?" tama Sep 2012 #218
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It's easy tama Sep 2012 #220
So what does your common sense rrneck Sep 2012 #223
Itself: tama Sep 2012 #224
Metaphysics are moot in an assault. rrneck Sep 2012 #225
Your question gives me a happy smile tama Sep 2012 #226
I'm glad youre happy. rrneck Sep 2012 #227
The assault of your questions tama Sep 2012 #228
But what would you have us do? rrneck Sep 2012 #229
What are we - you and me - doing now? tama Sep 2012 #233
Typing? Talking? That will stop an assailant? rrneck Sep 2012 #234
Your line of questioning tama Sep 2012 #236
... rrneck Sep 2012 #237
Dictionary definitions tama Sep 2012 #238
Physical violence. rrneck Sep 2012 #239
I think his solution is "hakuna matata". N/T GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #69
Thanks tama Sep 2012 #100
Monks with guns. Remmah2 Sep 2012 #192
Perhaps 90,000,000 fellow citizens are cowards? Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #204
Thank you for your compliment tama Sep 2012 #209
You do hate so. Is that all you have?nt Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #246
Pepper spray? Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #86
that would be my answer loves_dulcinea Sep 2012 #112
All very good points glacierbay Sep 2012 #116
Parameters? Well, that's what we dont know, isn't it? rrneck Sep 2012 #161
The circumstances are indeed germane... Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #202
Of course avoidance is best. rrneck Sep 2012 #215
Wasp Spray Remmah2 Sep 2012 #194
In general, yes. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #4
Yes. rrneck Sep 2012 #7
"any force used should be commensurate to that of the assailant. " oneshooter Sep 2012 #21
Unless you are also 6'3" and 240lbs, then it wouldn't be commensurate. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #28
Boring questions. oneshooter Sep 2012 #39
You apparently don't understand the definition of assault. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #64
That is a push and shove match. oneshooter Sep 2012 #159
That would give me the shakes too. Doubt I'd want to go near any weapon again. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #203
Why is that? Your weapon is your best friend, the other guys not so much oneshooter Sep 2012 #241
well,, how about this "child"? Oneka Sep 2012 #118
I agree, but am not sure of the relevance. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #205
There are only three options when confronted with violence. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #17
A straightforward rational reply. rrneck Sep 2012 #18
The best way to deal with violence is to avoid it. Remmah2 Sep 2012 #193
Common Sense; Logic; and Survival Instincts dictate DWC Sep 2012 #24
From my martial arts training. Cary Sep 2012 #26
Next time you're out and about rrneck Sep 2012 #29
Are you looking for tama Sep 2012 #35
People with your attitude generally got themselves very dead, oneshooter Sep 2012 #42
Spot-on DollarBillHines Sep 2012 #55
What is your line of work? tama Sep 2012 #63
Was, it's a young mans game. oneshooter Sep 2012 #113
I too had a young mans game tama Sep 2012 #126
Mine paid better. I generally took my pay in gold coins. oneshooter Sep 2012 #201
I became content tama Sep 2012 #208
I don't carry a gun. rrneck Sep 2012 #44
Your term, "adequate solution," seems off to me. Cary Sep 2012 #80
So it sounds like rrneck Sep 2012 #83
You know what? Cary Sep 2012 #87
That's fine. That may be the best answer yet. rrneck Sep 2012 #90
That's kind of a strange question Cary Sep 2012 #97
True. rrneck Sep 2012 #164
Avoiding the situation? Cary Sep 2012 #72
Eberything you offered would require rrneck Sep 2012 #79
Avoiding the situation? Cary Sep 2012 #82
Most people can't outrun their assailants. rrneck Sep 2012 #85
Yeah, well. You do what you can do. Cary Sep 2012 #88
Yes, it's obvious. rrneck Sep 2012 #92
I think I'm pretty much done with you. Cary Sep 2012 #96
Well, okay. rrneck Sep 2012 #165
The firearm and edged weapon self-defense class I've taken have all taught many of the same things slackmaster Sep 2012 #32
Yes. Two knives yield two corpses. Cary Sep 2012 #75
A stupid small coward like Zimmerman pulls out a gun and shoots an unarmed person, in back graham4anything Sep 2012 #36
Okay rrneck Sep 2012 #49
Yep glacierbay Sep 2012 #51
Don't feel bad, nobody else does either. nt rrneck Sep 2012 #53
Do you actually want an answer? If so graham4anything Sep 2012 #54
Finally, a concise answer glacierbay Sep 2012 #60
answer to #2 and #6 and other answers graham4anything Sep 2012 #68
Sooo rrneck Sep 2012 #61
Are we Indiana Jones vs. the big bad guy with the big bad knife? graham4anything Sep 2012 #70
Interesting Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #71
you are funny. graham4anything Sep 2012 #84
You can find me funny Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #186
I am not interested in NRA talking points graham4anything Sep 2012 #210
one problem gejohnston Sep 2012 #242
actually he doesn't graham4anything Sep 2012 #244
not a distraction at all, gejohnston Sep 2012 #245
that is not him personally and real issues are very complex, not one line soundbytes graham4anything Sep 2012 #247
by today's standards, Obama is a liberal Democrat gejohnston Sep 2012 #248
But what solution do you offer rrneck Sep 2012 #78
it takes two to fight. Not fighting is the option graham4anything Sep 2012 #93
You are either a jokester glacierbay Sep 2012 #105
Guess you don't believe there is a good in all people graham4anything Sep 2012 #110
it works very simply gejohnston Sep 2012 #115
So you agree the 2012 drone use is a good thing, and anything a president does is ok graham4anything Sep 2012 #119
So you would sacrifice your liberty glacierbay Sep 2012 #123
my security and freedom is sacrified by the Zimmerman's of the nation graham4anything Sep 2012 #132
Zimmerman may be whatever gejohnston Sep 2012 #136
and he stalked and killed an unarmed man in the name of what exactly??? graham4anything Sep 2012 #138
actually, he didn't gejohnston Sep 2012 #141
Guess it will depend which 12 people are on the jury graham4anything Sep 2012 #145
I have been on juries gejohnston Sep 2012 #149
And I've been hearing that same schtick glacierbay Sep 2012 #152
Kristofferson did write that glacierbay Sep 2012 #139
Thomas Jefferson can no longer abuse his female slaves like he did & then there is... graham4anything Sep 2012 #142
it is not the NRA or its money gejohnston Sep 2012 #143
the NRA is a bully pulpit that in essence blackmails politicians graham4anything Sep 2012 #146
Let me quote Richard Nixon gejohnston Sep 2012 #156
Exactly which constitutional rights of yours are Oneka Sep 2012 #144
you won't agree but graham4anything Sep 2012 #148
you are correct , i don't agree. Oneka Sep 2012 #153
OJ Simpson was found innocent of all charges, however, had he a gun graham4anything Sep 2012 #187
I really don't understand Oneka Sep 2012 #188
I trust the President(Obama) to do what is right. I trust Mayor Bloomberg graham4anything Sep 2012 #190
Scared of Blooming Idiot? glacierbay Sep 2012 #147
who said 2012? change takes decades graham4anything Sep 2012 #150
Ooooookay glacierbay Sep 2012 #157
To quote Orwell tama Sep 2012 #171
Look up what orwell said about guns nt Eleanors38 Sep 2012 #206
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #216
Benjamin Franklin n/t tama Sep 2012 #154
Thank you glacierbay Sep 2012 #158
"I fully back Mike Bloomberg in his belief about security and guns." YAY! Oneka Sep 2012 #128
Sooooooo rrneck Sep 2012 #166
the gun solution made no sense in 1855 makes less sense 2012 graham4anything Sep 2012 #185
"A gun is a false deity." Oneka Sep 2012 #189
Your being scared of the boogie man is a little creepy to me. graham4anything Sep 2012 #191
Sooooo rrneck Sep 2012 #196
its a stupid analogy graham4anything Sep 2012 #211
Sooooooo rrneck Sep 2012 #212
a strawman graham4anything Sep 2012 #214
Of course backing off os preferable. rrneck Sep 2012 #217
MLK and Jesus were not pacifists gejohnston Sep 2012 #243
IMO Your comments put new meaning DWC Sep 2012 #197
the herd mentality is the NRA and their groupies that bow down to the 1% graham4anything Sep 2012 #221
A "real man" Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #57
So tama Sep 2012 #66
I live about 30 min away from Amish country Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #74
you would have to be specific, have no idea what you refer to. graham4anything Sep 2012 #77
I'm referring tama Sep 2012 #103
bullsheet that is so 1850s. graham4anything Sep 2012 #73
What you call "better" Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #76
you can live in prison or be free graham4anything Sep 2012 #98
I will call it naive Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #102
yet you are scared of a littly bitty Jewish guy named Michael graham4anything Sep 2012 #231
actually, Bernie was not a vigilante gejohnston Sep 2012 #104
Bernie was a coward. graham4anything Sep 2012 #230
Gotta be careful with the Delicate Flowers bongbong Sep 2012 #222
+1 graham4anything Sep 2012 #232
There is a question pending in the OP you have yet to address. rrneck Sep 2012 #235
So if I have a perp coming at me with a weapon glacierbay Sep 2012 #89
Do you then follow the double dog dare thing? graham4anything Sep 2012 #99
You do know I'm a Police Officer right? glacierbay Sep 2012 #101
Who gets to determine and how? tama Sep 2012 #106
The perp determines the level of force used glacierbay Sep 2012 #121
The question was more general tama Sep 2012 #131
I find the NYPD treatment of peaceful Occupy protesters glacierbay Sep 2012 #137
You give me hope tama Sep 2012 #151
As much as it pains me to say this glacierbay Sep 2012 #160
Interesting tama Sep 2012 #167
This is good news for TX Occupy glacierbay Sep 2012 #169
There's a little point of semantics tama Sep 2012 #174
That is your profession. Does that mean everyone brings their job home with them? graham4anything Sep 2012 #107
running away is often more dangerous gejohnston Sep 2012 #111
I am an honest cop glacierbay Sep 2012 #114
so in another sense, you agree that a President has the 1st duty to protect a citizen graham4anything Sep 2012 #117
Bloomburg is an authoritarian gejohnston Sep 2012 #120
but he is doing exactly what you wish done graham4anything Sep 2012 #127
say what? gejohnston Sep 2012 #130
No. glacierbay Sep 2012 #125
I personally don't like the term states rights as it is a racist term in the past graham4anything Sep 2012 #129
I'm beginning to doubt that you are even an american citizen glacierbay Sep 2012 #133
you don't know the difference between vigilante gejohnston Sep 2012 #135
Well it is anarchy tama Sep 2012 #140
Zimmerman did NOT shoot Martin in the back. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #81
And the only DNA found of the gun was asswipe Zimmerman's Sekhmets Daughter Sep 2012 #91
That has nothing to do with whether Martin was shot in the front or the back. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #109
This is why I don't take anything seriously from this person glacierbay Sep 2012 #95
Colton Gleason : Real man, may he rest in peace. Oneka Sep 2012 #122
three ways to respond. ileus Sep 2012 #41
Flee if possible. Oneka Sep 2012 #124
I have been assaulted a couple of times. It's difficult but staying calm and resisting has worked Lint Head Sep 2012 #155
Sound advice. Do ypu think everyone rrneck Sep 2012 #162
turn the TV off Zygoat Sep 2012 #176
I don't watch TV. nt rrneck Sep 2012 #178
what kind of assault were you asking about? Zygoat Sep 2012 #179
It doesnt matter. rrneck Sep 2012 #180
Don't feel bad rrneck littlemissmartypants Sep 2012 #184
I hear ya. rrneck Sep 2012 #199
Three simple words: 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #198
LOL! rrneck Sep 2012 #200
A systematic approach discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #240
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