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Atypical Liberal

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12. What "level"? Oh you mean the *declining* level?
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jan 2012
Mercury News published an article pointing out the sad truth that in spite of the level of preventable gun violence, we're unlikely to see stricter gun control.

Well, given that that "level" of preventable gun violence is at a decades-long low, continuing a decades-long trend, in spite of record numbers of firearms in circulation, I'm not sure why we would see stricter gun control.

Clearly, more guns does not equal more crime.

That may or may not be true, I happen to think we're fast approaching a saturation point, beyond which the average apathetic citizen will begin to get interested.

Ah, I see - "The Backlash Cometh" has been renamed the "saturation point".

No, sorry, it's not.

The reason this is nothing more than wishful thinking has been proven over and over again in the mass shootings. Take the most famous of 2011, the Giffords shooting which took place one year ago. Armed concealed carry permit holders were unable to intervene.

In fact, an armed concealed carry permit holder was exiting the nearby Safeway and was about to bring his weapon into action when the shooter was subdued by those around him engaging in a physical contest of strength with their attacker.

Since Christmas we've had a terrible spate of multiple murders. There was the roller rink shooting in Detroit, 5 people shot, the restaurant shooting in Chicago, 2 dead, 5 wounded, and perhaps the most well-known, the Texas Santa Claus shooting, to name just three.

All tragic anecdotes, to be sure, but they do not do anything to change the fact that violent crime is continuing its decades-long decline.

These, and the dozens of others that have taken place over the holiday period as well as the hundreds we've suffered since Jared Loughner became a household name, all have one thing in common: no intervention on the part of an armed citizen. Yet, the pro-gun fanatics keep saying, "The more gun-control laws you have, the easier it is for criminals to commit crimes." This is what I call whistling in the dark.

Their other justification for more guns is even more foolish. Does anyone really believe the number of truly legitimate DGUs which have happened over the last year and which have resulted in the saving of life, outnumbers the death and destruction of all those shootings? I don't think so and I don't think any reasonable person can support such a position.


Even if there were not a single legitimate defensive use of a concealed carry firearm, so what? Why are you trying to make a connection between the criminal use of firearms and the lawful carrying of firearms?

We know that people with concealed carry permits are hardly ever involved in any kind of crime, let along firearm-related crime. Even if these people never intervened to stop a violent attack, they still hardly ever cause problems so why not let them continue to carry?

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'Whistling in the Dark' is a great song! petronius Jan 2012 #1
I'm Old School. I prefer doin' past a graveyard. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #14
That would require admitting that... ellisonz Jan 2012 #2
What about the liberty to shoot bad people that carrying a gun provides? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #3
I drink black coffee, not tea... ellisonz Jan 2012 #4
By all means, let's base public policy on what Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #5
Where do you think comics get their material? nt Remmah2 Jan 2012 #6
It's called humor. ellisonz Jan 2012 #21
Yes. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #25
I saw a couple people on DU2 mean it Union Scribe Jan 2012 #35
Why do you think they would subscribe to such an outlandish notion? ellisonz Jan 2012 #36
There's proof positive rrneck Jan 2012 #8
Priceless! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #13
Couldn't agree more! Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #27
We all have different tastes. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #30
See post #35 Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #39
You guys are cracking me up. That's great. Hoyt Jan 2012 #10
There isn't one. But you knew that, didn't you....? SteveW Jan 2012 #15
"moral condemnation of fellow progressives who believe in a strong Second Amendment" Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #32
In my experience, progressives are the most staunch defenders of civil rights. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #34
I think you are confused in your interpretation of civil rights. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #37
+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #40
You started off pretty good rl6214 Jan 2012 #20
Showing your true (and not terribly pretty) colors here. NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #26
still can't seem to figure out what "well regulated militia" really means rl6214 Jan 2012 #19
Thanks to Antonin Scalia! n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #22
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #23
Huh. W.H.A.P. was right. n/t PavePusher Jan 2012 #29
Still settled none the less rl6214 Jan 2012 #38
But who holds the right? TupperHappy Jan 2012 #31
We're telling you but your not listening. E6-B Jan 2012 #41
Less control over peoples' choices and behavior does not mean "more guns" slackmaster Jan 2012 #7
I saved my life with a gun. E6-B Jan 2012 #42
I think you are right that we are rapidly approaching a "saturation point." Hoyt Jan 2012 #9
Well, then "we are rapidly approaching a point" where no more saturation can take place. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #16
lmfao montanto Jan 2012 #24
Talk about whistling in the dark. aikoaiko Jan 2012 #28
My opinion is that you don't know the definition of "we". beevul Jan 2012 #11
What "level"? Oh you mean the *declining* level? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #12
The people finally have a taste of freedom, and we're not willing to give it up easily. ileus Jan 2012 #17
New year, same old shit rl6214 Jan 2012 #18
The most disingenious drivel you've posted yet. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #33
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