Gun Control & RKBA

X_Digger

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72. I'm interested in how you think an individual right connects to 'unrestricted' blah blah blah..

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 12:28 AM

Jan 2012

Or was that just meaningless blather on your part? You do realize that it being a fundamental, individual right has no bearing on the scope of the constitutionally permissible restrictions, yes? It's analogous to the first in that regard.

I carry on airplanes frequently- either I'm riding general aviation with one of my buddies who regularly fly, or it's checked into my luggage in the cargo hold if I'm flying commercial.

I support the provisions of the '68 GCA as they stand now. I'd like to see states submit timely data to NICS. Apply the same stick/carrot that they did for seat belt laws.

There are no types of firearms that I shouldn't be able to own. I agree with the '34 NFA, except for the suppressor bit. In much of Europe, they're sold over the counter as a safety device. Hollywood and spy novels have perpetuated the 'phthut' myth. I'd prefer not to have to use ear plugs *and* muffs to protect my hearing.

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Can any PRO Gun-Control person on this forum name one Gun Control WIN in the last 3 years? [View all] Logical Jan 2012 OP

there were several open carry defeats last year. ileus Jan 2012 #1

really? YllwFvr Jan 2012 #104

Dosen't matter if they can rl6214 Jan 2012 #2

There was that one courthouse in Wisconsin.. or Missouri.. I forget where.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #3

I bet IL comes this year. They seem ripe for it everywhere but Chicago. Logical Jan 2012 #4

The amazing thing to me is you guys see it all as a game Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #5

Not irrelevant at all. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #6

I understand that you don't want to get in trouble. Who does? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #7

It is impossible to predict if I will or won't need it. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #9

I hope all that makes you feel safer. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #13

Why do you think I walk 5 miles a day? GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #30

So it's really all about how long it takes to put a gun on? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #33

That's not even close to what he said We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #34

Newsflash! I don't have a side. Which means I can't lose. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #36

Newsflash! We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #37

Comprhension fail on your part WHAP Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #39

Believe as you wish We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #43

Again, comprehension fail! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #51

Newsflash! With this nasty piece of snark you showed your Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #50

Oh no! Showed my cards? Say it ain't so! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #53

"These Derringer bullets sure are weak" - Bart Simpson as Tom Sawyer ellisonz Jan 2012 #65

Dude, all of those posts are his passive-agressive bullshit intended to get just this repsonse. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #70

Thanks, but no headache here, clean....... Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #81

Your side is mere antagonism. nt Union Scribe Jan 2012 #56

Maybe you haven't noticed yet Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #58

Sure "we" are. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #59

Passive-aggressive ain't civility. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #71

I assume you're an expert on such things. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #75

Well, I'm no psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday-Inn Express last night. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #80

No, but this is: Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #82

Oh mon dieu, non! "Funnin' around" - moi? Jamais. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #83

To take a page from your playbook....... Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #93

At least you've learned some humility. Kudos. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #94

What part of the word *not* escaped you? NT Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #120

Really? rl6214 Jan 2012 #61

Yeah! Really! Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #76

I really didn't start to carry on a regular basis... spin Jan 2012 #40

You carry a gun and bear spray in Texas to hose dogs? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #24

Every place I have ever lived has had loose dogs. GreenStormCloud Jan 2012 #28

You might want to change your brand of after shave. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #38

lol ellisonz Jan 2012 #66

It is not like being chased! LOL. Work on another analogy. You are in the car anyway. Logical Jan 2012 #10

The Right to be able to make that decision, and not have the state make it for you.... PavePusher Jan 2012 #11

I was born with my rights Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #12

The state most certainly can take them away. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #15

Not without just cause... ellisonz Jan 2012 #22

All depends on one's point of view. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #23

That doesn't even make sense. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #27

Yep, and I'd like to encourage it as much as possible. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #19

Encourage what? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #25

"The decision of an individual to engage in such a practice is what is important." AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #26

Well, despite the connotations of 'game,' it's better than political sado-masochism... SteveW Jan 2012 #41

Ah, so you agree that the decision making process is important. Good. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #54

Actually the right to carry concealed guns on our person is extremely relevant rl6214 Jan 2012 #60

It's not a right. It's a privilege for those in states that issue permits. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #78

No. Callisto32 Jan 2012 #125

I'm not contesting the right. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #132

And what irrational behavior would that be? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #133

"Maybe CA stopping Open Carry." Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #8

Faulty causality. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #14

it is falling in Billings too gejohnston Jan 2012 #16

Any crime is too high Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #20

Unless you can point to... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #35

Reason for mentioning: "More guns = More crime" was pumped for years by gun-controllers. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #42

So what? Extremists on both sides making bogus claims. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #55

The question was asked and I answered it... SteveW Jan 2012 #87

Interesting how you refer to liberal Democrats in the third person. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #88

I often use third person when using "liberal," due to the distortion of the term. SteveW Jan 2012 #89

Prohibition was a moral issue. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #90

Prohibition was presented as both We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #91

All prohi's think their cause is a public safety issue. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #92

So what? I'm not a "prohi" and this is a safety issue. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #97

False dichotomy. Try again. n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #98

Both gun and alcohol prohibitions are moral culture wars... SteveW Jan 2012 #95

You must be joking. Tell me you're joking. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #96

Nope he's not joking We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #99

No, sir. Not joking... SteveW Jan 2012 #105

First, show me where I am advocating gun control Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #106

You don't support gun-control? Then we are in agreement on that. Thanks. nt SteveW Jan 2012 #107

No, I support and advocate self-control Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #109

I'm with you on that first part. The rest... SteveW Jan 2012 #110

And that is the beast that is being fed, unfortunately Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #114

"...stop announcing and cheering for it on public websites". I certainly will not. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #115

You know what that post reminds me of? X_Digger Jan 2012 #116

You just don't get it, do you? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #117

Would you say that about anything else? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #118

I give up. You win. Good luck. Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #119

Lot of loose change, here... SteveW Jan 2012 #143

All those drunk driving deaths aren't a public safety issue. Callisto32 Jan 2012 #126

What century are you living in? Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #131

There is a crowd... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2012 #17

THE BACKLASH COMETH AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #18

Al Gore Paid the Price for Clinton's Gun Comtrol E6-B Jan 2012 #69

No worries. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #84

They are winning the battle, but may still yet lose the war... ellisonz Jan 2012 #21

You still don't get it do you? We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #29

Thanks to Antonin Scalia and friends! n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #44

Has nothing to do with Scalia. We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #45

Oh for Christs sake... ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

Your response does not address the post you replied to. X_Digger Jan 2012 #48

I'll do it derby378 Jan 2012 #57

Some people would say that's free speech... ellisonz Jan 2012 #108

Since law enforcement generally has access to fully automatic weapons... beevul Jan 2012 #111

The average beat cop doesn't walk around with a full auto weapon at the ready to my knowledge. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #112

Nor does the average citizen, or average criminal. beevul Jan 2012 #113

The average "beat cop"... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #124

If you think reality is dictated by people... Callisto32 Jan 2012 #127

" What the Constitution clearly demands" beevul Jan 2012 #32

Thanks to Antonin Scalia and friends! ellisonz Jan 2012 #46

That's the second time you've repeated that straw man. X_Digger Jan 2012 #49

You can't yell fire in a crowded theater... ellisonz Jan 2012 #64

Who said you can? Care to respond to what I actually said? n/t X_Digger Jan 2012 #67

Sure. What gun control do you support? ellisonz Jan 2012 #68

I'm interested in how you think an individual right connects to 'unrestricted' blah blah blah.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #72

lol ellisonz Jan 2012 #74

No, I just missed it in typing my reply. X_Digger Jan 2012 #77

We're not talking accidental, we're talking deliberate. ellisonz Jan 2012 #79

It's dependent on venue. In a public space, not otherwise proscribed by state law? No. X_Digger Jan 2012 #86

May I? gejohnston Jan 2012 #73

Sure I can, just as you could.... S_B_Jackson Jan 2012 #85

You may, Callisto32 Jan 2012 #128

You can keep repeating that line as much as you like but rl6214 Jan 2012 #62

"it is settled, just not to your liking." ellisonz Jan 2012 #63

Here we are in the DU Fan Club Doctor_J Jan 2012 #101

I don't get it either... ellisonz Jan 2012 #102

Did you stop to consider.... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #103

We're called the NRA not the National Union Association. E6-B Jan 2012 #122

And the people you vote for also do unions, teachers, pensions, anti-choice initiatives, Doctor_J Jan 2012 #130

There are also some here that are able to ignore the head of MAIG's *other* activities. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #134

that include gejohnston Jan 2012 #135

BTW I am an IBEW brother since I was 12. E6-B Jan 2012 #136

Militias E6-B Jan 2012 #121

And submit to government regulation... ellisonz Jan 2012 #123

I thought so. E6-B Jan 2012 #137

Do you understand the Supreme Court has corrected itself before? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #138

It has happened but it is extremely rare We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #139

Well, we still don't have CCW in Illinois ... yet DonP Jan 2012 #31

No, which is why I don't understand all of the bitching from the NRA and their cult Doctor_J Jan 2012 #100

B/C NRA-ILA is probably almost as bad as people make it out to be... Callisto32 Jan 2012 #129

He did waste anytime getting to gun control E6-B Jan 2012 #140

I'll name two that's far more damaging than any legislation Ter Jan 2012 #141

LOL....you sounds like the NRA spokesman. The 2nd is safe. Calm down. Logical Jan 2012 #142