Gun Control & RKBA

Hoyt

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24. This is a political forum, not a science forum.

Reply to Simo 1939_1940 (Reply #23)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 07:32 AM

Jan 2012

You guys would want us to wait until there are so many bad outcomes that even the flat-earthers have to agree that more guns, particularly in public, contribute to bad results -- direct and indirect. Of course, by the time some of you will publicly admit the problem, there will be hundreds of millions more guns to deal with.

For people who cannot walk out of their house without a gun or two strapped to their bodies, I doubt there will ever be enough evidence.

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A steep drop in crime, but do you feel safer? [View all] ellisonz Jan 2012 OP

Another reason not mentioned... mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #1

But crime is down, not just deaths from crime. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #2

You're right, of course. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #19

Sure. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #3

The probability of becoming a victim of a violent crime is so small compared to things like vehicle slackmaster Jan 2012 #4

fewer drugs? Where? ileus Jan 2012 #5

I think it's a reference to the crack and heroin epidemics. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #6

Yes, I feel safer. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #7

Actually yes, I do feel safer. However that doesn't mean that... spin Jan 2012 #8

I was walking in Downtown El Paso, TX today, 50 yards from the border with rl6214 Jan 2012 #9

for personal reasons, no. although I have heard a rumor that my attackers have been killed. - Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #10

I hope so....nothing like being able to live in peace. ileus Jan 2012 #11

No. Nor do I feel less safe. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #12

Yes. Kudos to those in LA who venture out unarmed and free. Hoyt Jan 2012 #13

I venture out unarmed and free all the time. rrneck Jan 2012 #14

Not many like you here, unfortunately. Hoyt Jan 2012 #15

What's unfortunate about it? Like the OP says, crime is down. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #16

But carriers deserve no credit. Might be down more without so many guns. Hoyt Jan 2012 #18

As long as they don't cause a rise, no one should have any problem with it. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #20

Disagree. People routinely carrying guns is not good for society, short- or long-term. Hoyt Jan 2012 #21

Nor was drinking ethanol, smoking cannabis, listening to jazz, friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #22

Carrying guns in public definitely don't fit into that list. Hoyt Jan 2012 #25

Of course it does. All moralizing prohibitionism is alike at heart. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #27

So we should permit hate groups to carry arms in public? ellisonz Jan 2012 #30

Are you plumping for political tests, or some sort of "niceness" override? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #31

Gun ownership isn't an absolute civil right. ellisonz Jan 2012 #32

I'll go on record.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #33

If Voltaire didn't say that... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34

One of his biographers attributes it to him, or uses it as a summation of his position. X_Digger Jan 2012 #36

Interesting... ellisonz Jan 2012 #37

If they deny others' rights, then they can be charged under USC � 1983 / 1985 X_Digger Jan 2012 #40

Well California's law on gang injunctions stands... ellisonz Jan 2012 #42

Did you notice how CA has to tiptoe around it? X_Digger Jan 2012 #43

Honestly, I forsook the ACLU after they supported Citizens United... ellisonz Jan 2012 #44

I'm still waiting... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #46

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge people can have legitimate disagreements... ellisonz Jan 2012 #49

I always have We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #56

You'd best get busy if you want to amend the Constitution. It's not easy... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #35

That's justifying the democratic process and the soveriegnty of the people through government. ellisonz Jan 2012 #38

Unfortunately for most of us, they have that right... SteveW Jan 2012 #57

You say this constantly, yet provide no evidence. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #23

This is a political forum, not a science forum. Hoyt Jan 2012 #24

There are decades of data to draw conclusions from. PavePusher Jan 2012 #26

"This is a political forum, not a science forum." Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #28

What falsehood? Hoyt Jan 2012 #29

SNAP SNAP SNAP!!! Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #39

You don't need to post "enough evidence". ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #41

Well rrneck Jan 2012 #17

Emergency city council meeting E6-B Jan 2012 #45

Who could have not seen that coming? n/t burf Jan 2012 #47

Los Angeles county city? ellisonz Jan 2012 #48

So now you think home invasions are funny? nt Remmah2 Jan 2012 #50

No I think the poster is full of "pious baloney" ellisonz Jan 2012 #52

Laughter E6-B Jan 2012 #53

I'd have to ask the Los Angeles county city about that... ellisonz Jan 2012 #54

Sure, why not? burf Jan 2012 #51

... ellisonz Jan 2012 #55