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Straw Man

(6,949 posts)
43. Interpreting it creates the law we live under.
Thu Dec 15, 2011, 03:04 AM
Dec 2011

[div class = excerpt]We are expressing our own views here, not the views of SCOTUS.
Their views become the law of the land. Your views are ... your views.

[div class = excerpt]However, I support an individual's right to keep arms for personal use and for self defense.
I see you choose to leave the "and bear" part out of it. Duly noted.

[div class = excerpt]That is a long way from supporting the indiscriminate toting of concealed weapons in every day situations, not to mention the promoting of such behavior in the name of civil rights.
Please define "indiscriminate." Again, you seem to be laboring under the delusion that there is a magical condition called an "everyday situation" that precludes any possibility of violent assault. I'm not "promoting" any behavior -- merely affirming a right that is guaranteed to me by the Constitution. You are under no obligation to exercise that right if you should choose not to.

[div class = excerpt]I accept that there are many people who justifiably feel the need to carry a weapon in their daily lives, based on the realities of the environment they live in and particular occupational hazards.
The notion that violent crime happens only in predictable places and at predictable times is a similar delusion.

[div class = excerpt]My common sense tells me when I may be more likely to expect a violent assault. Obviously there are no guarantees, but there are few guarantees in anyone's life, armed or not.
No, there are no guarantees, and I am baffled by your insistence that the degree to which the carrying of firearms is a social ill is somehow inversely proportional to need. If I carry a firearm but never have the need to use it, surely no harm has been done.

[div class = excerpt]I do not post compulsively and I have no fear of firearms, unless they are pointed at me. Let's try to keep the conversation civil.
You're the one who suggested that a certain lifestyle choice of myself and many others on this forum is "compulsive" and "irrational" and constitutes "a disorder." And you're lecturing me on civility?

[div class = excerpt]I'm not trying to take your, or anyone's guns away.
No, you'd just like to be the arbiter of where and when I should carry one.

[div class = excerpt]I'm trying to get a grasp on what is happening to our society and whether handgun proliferation and concealed carry is good or bad for society as a whole, and whether it will eventually lead to a curbing of our rights.
What exactly is handgun "proliferation" to you? A raw number of guns? A percentage of the population that carries? A crime statistic? I see it as a buzzword whose sole purpose is to portray handguns as a social evil. So this is just an intellectual endeavor for you? And what have you discovered, beyond the fact that gun owners object to being called irrational, compulsive, and emotionally disturbed?

I see you're back to the "stop exercising those rights or they will be taken away from you" meme. Sigh...

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where do I start? gejohnston Dec 2011 #1
Jardis... Callisto32 Dec 2011 #2
Given your intensity and obsession with disarming law abiding folks.... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #3
I don't want to disarmam anyone except the unfit nt mikeb302000 Dec 2011 #67
Of course Oneka Dec 2011 #69
Really, I thought you were against the larwful concealed carry. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #70
So it wasn't you that wrote this? Better have a talk with their ISP about that identity theft... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #71
Whew, link shows a couple of young republican "gun activists" I think. Female student sounds smart. Hoyt Dec 2011 #4
And yet she didn't express fear of the same student carrying a gun at pizza & subs across the street aikoaiko Dec 2011 #5
I think she has seen the types who are into guns at that age -- and wants no part of it on campus. Hoyt Dec 2011 #7
"...at that age..." PavePusher Dec 2011 #13
21 year olds with no criminal history ... quite the group of people to be concerned about, eh? OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #41
This rally was HUGH!?!! TheCowsCameHome Dec 2011 #6
Guns on campus are bad enough, but those two guys are really suspect. Hoyt Dec 2011 #8
Suspect of what, hoyt? PavePusher Dec 2011 #10
Lack of judgement and priorities in life. Hoyt Dec 2011 #28
Ah, I was right. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #30
got google? iverglas Dec 2011 #33
there are 2 Tommy Mozingos in the US white pages iverglas Dec 2011 #34
"The really fearful ones ar those who feel they cannot leave the house without a gun." PavePusher Dec 2011 #9
Ah, the master of slander, innuendo, insinuation and lies continues. PavePusher Dec 2011 #11
Only one comment so far at the original article, and it's a massive strawman PavePusher Dec 2011 #12
Question, are people who study a martial arts such as karate or jujitsu... spin Dec 2011 #14
Obviously, people who study martial arts want to attack others. PavePusher Dec 2011 #15
The marital arts instructor that I had ... spin Dec 2011 #16
Heh, just riffing off one of our favorite... provacateurs. PavePusher Dec 2011 #17
No problem. I recognized your tactics... spin Dec 2011 #21
Y'know, I really don't think self-defense is the main purpose of the marital arts, petronius Dec 2011 #18
May I see your Karate Permit, please? PavePusher Dec 2011 #22
Sorry, dude. Any permits I may have are a private matter between me and my petronius Dec 2011 #23
Regarding smilies, there are a bunch of new ones here: petronius Dec 2011 #26
Much depends on the martial art ... spin Dec 2011 #24
A joke that needs explaining really wasn't, so I confess myself a failure petronius Dec 2011 #25
I should learn not to watch football while I am posting on DU ... spin Dec 2011 #27
Excellent post Mike. K&R Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #19
People like you two have made gun control the success it is today. Long may you post! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #31
I don't support Brady or the NRA Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #32
Oh, do tell... Straw Man Dec 2011 #36
You know perfectly well what the original intent was Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #37
No, we know perfectly well what *you believe* the original intent was. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #38
Haven't we been over this before? We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #39
I do, but apparently you don't. Straw Man Dec 2011 #40
What does SCOTUS have to do with the original intent apart from interpreting it? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #42
Interpreting it creates the law we live under. Straw Man Dec 2011 #43
If, as you said.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #44
Let me ask you a question Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #45
Consistently incoherent and emotionally driven bullshit. ntnt rrneck Dec 2011 #46
No problem... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #47
OK, let me respond with my opinion, if I'm allowed. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #59
"Compulsive shoe wearing is an addiction, the same as any compulsive behavior." PavePusher Dec 2011 #49
Makes me wonder if you've ever walked barefoot in the street Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #64
My handgun is designed to protect me. PavePusher Dec 2011 #65
No, it is designed to cause injury. That is it's function. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #72
Nope - that's your OPINION. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #73
Wrong. It's not my opinion. It is a fact. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #74
Cite, please? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #76
Cite what? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #78
This: PavePusher Dec 2011 #79
Please enlighten me as to it's other purposes Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #82
We have.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #83
Let me help you Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #84
No i don't We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #85
Thank you for confirming. Damn, it's like pulling teeth sometimes. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #86
You keep insinuating a mental aberation. PavePusher Dec 2011 #50
What's your opinion on compulsive behavior? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #53
define gejohnston Dec 2011 #54
And I have a question for you. Straw Man Dec 2011 #51
No I don't, but I advocate using other tactics outside the home Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #52
Why "other tactics"? Straw Man Dec 2011 #55
Do you carry yout fire extinguisher around with you? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #61
In my car. Straw Man Dec 2011 #66
That's funny "the bearer" of a fire extinguisher. Good for you. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #75
Dude, you're easily amused. Straw Man Dec 2011 #77
In other words, you only support the freedom of expression so long as it doesn't disturb you. N/T Marengo Dec 2011 #56
Not at all, I support all forms of expression. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #60
No, you do not. The individual's right of expression in a public space... Marengo Dec 2011 #68
This needs correction... SteveW Dec 2011 #58
The right to keep and bear arms for the security of the state by having a well regulated militia Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #62
"On the contrary, it could be argued that the proliferation of handguns on the streets Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #63
Are you calling me an ass? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #81
Sorry, but the "Right of the people" is operative in the Bill of Rights... SteveW Dec 2011 #80
On fear. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #20
write your congressman and have people that look wrong to you locked up. ileus Dec 2011 #29
nah, i'll just carry concealed and shoot the ones that scare me. locking 'em up costs the taxpayers Scout Dec 2011 #35
. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #48
My goodness, are you irony-deficient? SteveW Dec 2011 #57
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