Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Dear Gun Carriers [View all]friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)99. It's not vigilanteeism; police are NOT required to protect you
It's pragmatism- The police aren't required to help you, per several high level court decisions. Note this one from decidedly gun-unfriendly DC:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
Warren v. District of Columbia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an oft-quoted[2] District of Columbia Court of Appeals (equivalent to a state supreme court) case that held police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way, except when police develop a special duty to particular individuals.
In this case, three rape victims sued the District of Columbia for negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. They phoned the police, reporting that their house was being burglarized, and waited on the roof. Their call was incorrectly dispatched as less important than it was three minutes after they made the call, and three police cars came to the scene, three minutes after the call was dispatched. One policeman drove by without stopping, and another officer walked up to the door and knocked. Upon receiving no answer, the officers left five minutes after they had arrived. Nine minutes later, the two women called the police again and were assured they would receive assistance. This call was never dispatched and the police never came. Believing that the police had arrived and were in the house, the two women called down to the third who was being attacked. This alerted the intruders to their presence, and they then took them captive at knife-point. They were then raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for the next fourteen hours. The court noted that because the police are only under a general duty to provide services to the public at large, a special relationship must exist between the police and the individual in question for the "duty" element of negligence to be satisfied. It held that no such special relationship existed so the case was properly dismissed by the trial court for failure to state a claim and the case never went to trial.[3]...
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) is an oft-quoted[2] District of Columbia Court of Appeals (equivalent to a state supreme court) case that held police do not have a duty to provide police services to individuals, even if a dispatcher promises help to be on the way, except when police develop a special duty to particular individuals.
In this case, three rape victims sued the District of Columbia for negligence on the part of the police. Two of three female roommates were upstairs when they heard men break in and attack the third. They phoned the police, reporting that their house was being burglarized, and waited on the roof. Their call was incorrectly dispatched as less important than it was three minutes after they made the call, and three police cars came to the scene, three minutes after the call was dispatched. One policeman drove by without stopping, and another officer walked up to the door and knocked. Upon receiving no answer, the officers left five minutes after they had arrived. Nine minutes later, the two women called the police again and were assured they would receive assistance. This call was never dispatched and the police never came. Believing that the police had arrived and were in the house, the two women called down to the third who was being attacked. This alerted the intruders to their presence, and they then took them captive at knife-point. They were then raped, robbed, beaten, and forced to submit to the attackers' sexual demands for the next fourteen hours. The court noted that because the police are only under a general duty to provide services to the public at large, a special relationship must exist between the police and the individual in question for the "duty" element of negligence to be satisfied. It held that no such special relationship existed so the case was properly dismissed by the trial court for failure to state a claim and the case never went to trial.[3]...
And if any of these women had shot one or more of these sociopaths, would you describe them as 'vigilantes'?
Lest you think this legal principle is unique to DC, read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
...Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled, 72, that a town and its police department could not be sued under 42 U.S.C. §1983 for failing to enforce a restraining order, which had led to the murder of a woman's three children by her estranged husband...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County
...DeShaney v. Winnebago County was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States on February 22, 1989. The Court held that a state government agency's failure to prevent child abuse by a custodial parent does not violate the child's right to liberty for the purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution...
I must give you credit however- you haven't quite described gun ownership for self-defense purposes as "an insult to the state"...
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
155 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
Why are you offended by a piece that smears white, flabby and crabby, conservatives?
SecularMotion
Oct 2012
#13
Where does it say that Law Enforcement have a duty to protect the individual?
oneshooter
Oct 2012
#113
"for traditionally lawful purposes, SUCH AS self-defense within the home." -- that's from Heller.
X_Digger
Oct 2012
#116
Why don't you correlate violent crimes to total number of legally owned guns?
4th law of robotics
Oct 2012
#44
Because we don't track that data, and because the NRA has effectively blocked attempts to do so
Dog Gone at Penigma
Oct 2012
#49
"However we do know that the more guns, the greater the number of incidents of gun violence."
4th law of robotics
Oct 2012
#50
Hmmm, why the hostility? Yet you claim -we're- not capable of good decision-making...???
PavePusher
Oct 2012
#104
Aw, c'mon- self-contradiction in the first three sentences of a post is AWESOME!
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2012
#107
Didn't you claim above that gun homocide and injury was a public health problem?
PavePusher
Oct 2012
#71
Yes, they did: "We have what is and should be a problem with firearms that should be treated as...
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2012
#101
You know what firearms safety training consists of for children right?
AtheistCrusader
Oct 2012
#128
"What do you think 'firearms safety training" entails?" They don't know, obviously.
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2012
#102
Age appropriate firearms safety training in this case is “Stop. Don’t touch. Leave the area. Tell an
AtheistCrusader
Oct 2012
#129
One hour out of an entire school year would be a great investment and would do no harm...
slackmaster
Oct 2012
#64
Rifle Club or the Skeet Team would be appropriate extra-curricular options, or electives
petronius
Oct 2012
#98
You don't really know what firearms safety training consists of, do you?
friendly_iconoclast
Oct 2012
#105
A basic understanding of firearms can become essential to any person's life
slackmaster
Oct 2012
#121
These weapons threads can get so heated at times.... a little levity can be a good thing. n/t
2on2u
Oct 2012
#62