Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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22. even the most conservative estimates

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 01:50 PM

Oct 2012

place the number of people defending themselves as higher than the number of murders. BTW, what do two gangsters have to do with some target shooter or hunter in Montana? Even if we had UK style laws, the gangs would still be shooting each other because they would still have guns. Look at this basic fact
while Canada as a whole has a lower murder rate, Manitoba and Minnesota is about the same. Thunder Bay, Ontario, is Canada's murder capitol. Its murder rate is about five times El Paso's. From 1934-1968 Canada's and US's gun laws were basiclly equally lax. They were stricter on pistols but laxer on machine guns (license and registration for handguns since 1934 but started registering machine guns in 1952) From 1968-1977, our federal laws were stricter in many ways than theirs. Yet, they still had lower murder rates.

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GAO report on concealed carry in America [View all] hack89 Oct 2012 OP

When are we going to stop this suicide by 2nd Amendment? Savannahmann Oct 2012 #1

When you can show that gun violence is increasing instead of decreasing? nt hack89 Oct 2012 #2

How many have to die before you'll give up your guns? Savannahmann Oct 2012 #4

The number of guns deaths is steadily falling hack89 Oct 2012 #7

Stop trying to confuse him with facts ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #12

In 2010, there were ca. 80 million gun owners and 8,775 murders/manslaughters via gun. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #18

Shouldn't the 2011 report be out now? Dr_Scholl Oct 2012 #27

Here is some preliminary data hack89 Oct 2012 #28

but we are hardly the leader in in suicide. gejohnston Oct 2012 #9

Your factoid is wrong. More than 35,000 people died in motor vehicle accidents in the USA in 2010... slackmaster Oct 2012 #11

Turning more people into willing victims would help how? ileus Oct 2012 #16

Since the only stats you allude to are off by several orders of magnitude.... PavePusher Oct 2012 #25

>> Let me be 100% clear. << discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #29

One. Callisto32 Oct 2012 #30

So you admit you want to take away people's guns? krispos42 Oct 2012 #37

Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #48

wtf? "you are part of the problem of gun violence" Union Scribe Oct 2012 #50

Respectfully, the question remains: Do you want to Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #53

FYI - I don't appreciate being called a lunatic. I don't think the other 7,999,999 cc'ers do either. bluerum Oct 2012 #3

Well let me apologize now Savannahmann Oct 2012 #5

Then stay away from my CATTLE! holdencaufield Oct 2012 #13

Those cattle were on MY LAND! 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #33

OK, keep 'em holdencaufield Oct 2012 #41

That's funny glacierbay Oct 2012 #14

Cattle rustling still happens in Colorado as well. NT Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #32

In Florida, too. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #39

Apology accepted - it's good to recognize your limitations DonP Oct 2012 #15

Not sure I want your apology. You just don't seem sincere. bluerum Oct 2012 #34

Noticed your avatar. What model is that "gun?" nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #35

That is a PU38 explosive space modulator holdencaufield Oct 2012 #42

Ah, the wanton but passe license of super heroes. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #52

There are plenty of bandits invading homes in case you haven't noticed. dumbledork Oct 2012 #44

No one is going to take your guns my friend. Welcome to du. hrmjustin Oct 2012 #45

Well, please see if Savannahmann is down with that. Thanks Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #54

Thank you, and you are definitely right! No one is. dumbledork Oct 2012 #56

Actually, I hadn't noticed. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #46

My sis lives in Tulsa where home invasions are almost epidemic. dumbledork Oct 2012 #55

I DO doubt the seriousness of the problem. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #57

Fine. You do what you think is appropriate to insure your own personal security and I will do mine. dumbledork Oct 2012 #58

I saw all of those movies CokeMachine Oct 2012 #49

Holy run on sentence, Batman. nt Union Scribe Oct 2012 #51

Good satire. 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #6

I give it 8/10, and I agree they need to work on the tone. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #8

Satire? Savannahmann Oct 2012 #17

"...when two rival drug dealers started shooting at each other" holdencaufield Oct 2012 #19

On the chance you're being sincere 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #20

So you want to strip non-criminals of their rights because of the actions of criminals? No thanks. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #21

even the most conservative estimates gejohnston Oct 2012 #22

That is a very tragic anecdote. But it is still an anecdote. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #24

Actually, the Justice Department pins the lawful defensive use of firearms at 100k per year. AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #31

Most homicides are committed by repeat felons. IIRC, most victims are as well. Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #36

You are conflating honest people with criminals. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #40

Mine are used to protect my family. ileus Oct 2012 #43

How about some verified numbers to back up your assertions ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #47

What insanity? glacierbay Oct 2012 #10

"Eight million lunatics"? Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #23

Don't forget... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #26

This figure would indicate that up to 10% of legal firearms owners are CCW... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #38