Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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46. Dream (Nightmare) video, far detached from the real world.

Mon Oct 15, 2012, 03:50 PM

Oct 2012

Nightmare video:
Shooter is a police firearms instructor. Extremely well trained in the use of his gun.

Real world.
Rarely is an active shooter more than marginally able to use their gun.

Nightmare video:
Shooter knows there is an armed citizen and where he is sitting.

Real world:
Having someone in the crowd shoot back would be a huge surprise to the shooter.

Nightmare video:
Armed citizen is wearing excessive clothing and heavy gloves while indoors. The very long shirt and gloves hinder drawing their gun thereby slowing them down.
Real world:
Appropriate clothing, chosen by the citizen allows the gun to be quickly drawn.

Nightmare video:
Hidden gunman, sitting behind the student is able to help the active shooter.

Real world:
Active shooters usually act alone. When they do have an accomplice, the accomplice has never been planted in the crowd of victims.

Conclusion: This so called "test" was designed to have the armed citizen fail. In the real world there have been several mass shootings that were stopped by an armed citizen.

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Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world [View all] SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP

Funny how it's the police... joycejnr Oct 2012 #1

funny, I have yet to meet such a cop. gejohnston Oct 2012 #7

Funny how I'm a cop glacierbay Oct 2012 #12

Yes, I retract my statement... joycejnr Oct 2012 #67

That really wasn't how the west was won gejohnston Oct 2012 #68

Oh, right, this old gem Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #2

Not to mention the work gloves... friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #5

"Had this event been real," indeed n/t Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #48

Not to mention the shooter knew which student was carrying. X_Digger Oct 2012 #21

But they had an N of 6 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #49

There's also people who think they can win at the casino. nt Remmah2 Oct 2012 #65

The video just points out some realities that most gun owners are aware of. bluerum Oct 2012 #3

More like "Proof you can make anybody look bad if you get to rig the demonstration" friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #4

It's easier to tell us anti carry people some upaloopa Oct 2012 #6

"...I don't want to be anywhere near a gun toting "enthusiast". holdencaufield Oct 2012 #8

I live in CA where there still is some common sense. upaloopa Oct 2012 #9

Yea -- no one is packin' in California holdencaufield Oct 2012 #10

I'm not afraid of getting shot in Walmart by some upaloopa Oct 2012 #16

The 99% ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #18

What? upaloopa Oct 2012 #24

You didn't do the wal-mart walk? ileus Oct 2012 #38

The WMW, it's a right of passage for all citizens. rDigital Oct 2012 #55

depends on the county gejohnston Oct 2012 #11

Hmmm... Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #15

It ain't easy being Green holdencaufield Oct 2012 #17

I realize there were more red counties gejohnston Oct 2012 #20

So nobody but LE carrys in CA because it's illegal? glacierbay Oct 2012 #13

There have always been thugs. It's good we don't upaloopa Oct 2012 #19

"potential gun nut thugs". Would they be something like 'pre-criminals'? friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #23

Every person who isn't a criminal before they shoot someone upaloopa Oct 2012 #26

most of the time, they are criminals before they gejohnston Oct 2012 #28

"Every person who isn't a criminal before..." holdencaufield Oct 2012 #29

There's nothing about carrying a gun that makes you the bad guy either. glacierbay Oct 2012 #30

I'm the good guy by default. ileus Oct 2012 #34

Do you activly support the Brady Campaign or the VPC? oneshooter Oct 2012 #59

Come again? Straw Man Oct 2012 #66

So how are law abiding citizens glacierbay Oct 2012 #25

I'm thinking someone like that ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #27

Naw glacierbay Oct 2012 #31

Darn shame ... holdencaufield Oct 2012 #32

Well, at least your bigotry is "open carry". PavePusher Oct 2012 #37

In parts of CA like San F, the civilians are disarmed, except for the wealthy and well connected ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #53

Better move to Illinois or Hawaii, then. friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #22

If they carried concealed, how would you know to not "...be anywhere near a gun toting enthusiast?" Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #43

I'll continue to carry my safety device...feel free to give yours up that's your right. ileus Oct 2012 #14

Not really. Atypical Liberal Oct 2012 #33

What was also overlooked Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #42

Not overlooked was that Wonderful Fashion Statement: The T-shirt... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #45

Yes, the shooter always knew where the armed student was sitting. ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #44

Just like those exploding gas tanks, amirite? PavePusher Oct 2012 #35

It's the antigun crowd that is living in a dream world trouble.smith Oct 2012 #36

I saw this video before I received my carry license 12 months ago RCS Oct 2012 #39

I like this video Reasonable_Argument Oct 2012 #40

When the test is rigged, why would you not expect ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #41

Dream (Nightmare) video, far detached from the real world. GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #46

No, that would be the people who came up with this methodology. Callisto32 Oct 2012 #47

Stuff like this actually is pretty reassuring 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #50

After watching this video Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #51

An anti 2A group making a anti gun video...proof indeed. ileus Oct 2012 #52

A James O'Keefe style hit piece with a predetermined outcome aikoaiko Oct 2012 #54

SecMo's one rec is from Hoyt. aikoaiko Oct 2012 #57

rude toter baser poker ileus Oct 2012 #58

Thankfully that is all Hoyt can do in this group. Clames Oct 2012 #62

You forgot "the sun was in his eyes" SecularMotion Oct 2012 #60

How's your anti-RKBA agenda coming along (especially since this staged news piece came out)? aikoaiko Oct 2012 #61

ABC took such a beating for this video they pulled it from the website. Clames Oct 2012 #63

I'd comment, but the OP is quite thoroughly THRASHED already. Good day, sir. nt rDigital Oct 2012 #56

And what did the editors delete? Remmah2 Oct 2012 #64