Gun Control & RKBA

ellisonz

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38. That's justifying the democratic process and the soveriegnty of the people through government.

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #35)

Tue Jan 10, 2012, 11:01 PM

Jan 2012

Also, if you wish to call me prohi, I shall not hesitate to describe your positions as those of a gun nut. Neither is accurate...

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A steep drop in crime, but do you feel safer? [View all] ellisonz Jan 2012 OP

Another reason not mentioned... mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #1

But crime is down, not just deaths from crime. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #2

You're right, of course. mvccd1000 Jan 2012 #19

Sure. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #3

The probability of becoming a victim of a violent crime is so small compared to things like vehicle slackmaster Jan 2012 #4

fewer drugs? Where? ileus Jan 2012 #5

I think it's a reference to the crack and heroin epidemics. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #6

Yes, I feel safer. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #7

Actually yes, I do feel safer. However that doesn't mean that... spin Jan 2012 #8

I was walking in Downtown El Paso, TX today, 50 yards from the border with rl6214 Jan 2012 #9

for personal reasons, no. although I have heard a rumor that my attackers have been killed. - Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2012 #10

I hope so....nothing like being able to live in peace. ileus Jan 2012 #11

No. Nor do I feel less safe. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #12

Yes. Kudos to those in LA who venture out unarmed and free. Hoyt Jan 2012 #13

I venture out unarmed and free all the time. rrneck Jan 2012 #14

Not many like you here, unfortunately. Hoyt Jan 2012 #15

What's unfortunate about it? Like the OP says, crime is down. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #16

But carriers deserve no credit. Might be down more without so many guns. Hoyt Jan 2012 #18

As long as they don't cause a rise, no one should have any problem with it. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #20

Disagree. People routinely carrying guns is not good for society, short- or long-term. Hoyt Jan 2012 #21

Nor was drinking ethanol, smoking cannabis, listening to jazz, friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #22

Carrying guns in public definitely don't fit into that list. Hoyt Jan 2012 #25

Of course it does. All moralizing prohibitionism is alike at heart. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #27

So we should permit hate groups to carry arms in public? ellisonz Jan 2012 #30

Are you plumping for political tests, or some sort of "niceness" override? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #31

Gun ownership isn't an absolute civil right. ellisonz Jan 2012 #32

I'll go on record.. X_Digger Jan 2012 #33

If Voltaire didn't say that... ellisonz Jan 2012 #34

One of his biographers attributes it to him, or uses it as a summation of his position. X_Digger Jan 2012 #36

Interesting... ellisonz Jan 2012 #37

If they deny others' rights, then they can be charged under USC � 1983 / 1985 X_Digger Jan 2012 #40

Well California's law on gang injunctions stands... ellisonz Jan 2012 #42

Did you notice how CA has to tiptoe around it? X_Digger Jan 2012 #43

Honestly, I forsook the ACLU after they supported Citizens United... ellisonz Jan 2012 #44

I'm still waiting... We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #46

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge people can have legitimate disagreements... ellisonz Jan 2012 #49

I always have We_Have_A_Problem Jan 2012 #56

You'd best get busy if you want to amend the Constitution. It's not easy... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #35

That's justifying the democratic process and the soveriegnty of the people through government. ellisonz Jan 2012 #38

Unfortunately for most of us, they have that right... SteveW Jan 2012 #57

You say this constantly, yet provide no evidence. Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #23

This is a political forum, not a science forum. Hoyt Jan 2012 #24

There are decades of data to draw conclusions from. PavePusher Jan 2012 #26

"This is a political forum, not a science forum." Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #28

What falsehood? Hoyt Jan 2012 #29

SNAP SNAP SNAP!!! Simo 1939_1940 Jan 2012 #39

You don't need to post "enough evidence". ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #41

Well rrneck Jan 2012 #17

Emergency city council meeting E6-B Jan 2012 #45

Who could have not seen that coming? n/t burf Jan 2012 #47

Los Angeles county city? ellisonz Jan 2012 #48

So now you think home invasions are funny? nt Remmah2 Jan 2012 #50

No I think the poster is full of "pious baloney" ellisonz Jan 2012 #52

Laughter E6-B Jan 2012 #53

I'd have to ask the Los Angeles county city about that... ellisonz Jan 2012 #54

Sure, why not? burf Jan 2012 #51

... ellisonz Jan 2012 #55